Euhm... I've been chatting with my ex online, and i asked to borrow her bike lol, she lives practically around the corner.

So I walked to her house, and we started chatting, sitting next to each other. She told me some shit and put her hand on my arm en kept it there for like 10 seconds. IOI?

Also she kept looking at my lips, so I eventually asked her why she was looking at my lips. She said that I pointed at it, lol.

Stayed there for a little longer and eventually asked her (not out of the blue) if she thinks that I cant get chicks. She said: 'You can, but not everyone.' I just laughed it off and looked to the side.

Also when it was time to go, we kissed cheeks and she practically rubs her body against me.

Normally, you would say that I was getting IOI's...
But I really think that when I try to kiss her she is gonna reject me to have the upper hand.

How should I continue now, should I start texting/chatting/meeting up, or should I just freeze her out more...?

edit: goddamn it this chick is absorbing all of my energy. She acts all nice and gives IOI's but she never wants to meet. im really frustated right now.

To me that's just begging for the caveman approach.

Do it. If she takes offense, freeze her out.

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When in Doubt, Freeze Her Out.

You know what man...forget this girl. I know it's the hardest thing to do but that's the only way to get her back. Go out, have a good time and meet some other people. Just grow your social network. You don't even have to specifically be looking for other women. Eventually you will meet some and then you can start hanging out with lots of girls. I'm sure this will surprise her and she'll start thinking about you differently. Right now you just look desperate and she knows she can have you whenever she wants. Why would she rush back to you when you are being her doormat? Go meet some girls, hopefully meet one you like more, and then if she comes back to you you can blow her off like she's been doing to you. It'll feel great. Go get 'em

totally get what you've been through / are going through. Been in similar situation myself. From personla experience i would say just let it go for now. from what ive understood she lives pretty close and you live in a comunity where everybody knows eachother in one way or another (of the same age group). You seem to be on a good enough note to still talk but i think your kinda forcing the conversation. If you have her on fb you might kill to birds with one stone. this might be possible even without given the decribed community.

1.- stop the chatting, if she doesnt start talking then there isnt much to say.
If she does start the talk make sure you end it, your a busy man you have things to do. Go out and just meet new people, you dont even have to play them. An important thing about PUA is that it isnt all about girls. Become a more socially active and interesting person, be the man you wanna be. The rest will follow, confidence etc. Just put yourself out there.

2.- So your not talking anymore and she doesnt or rarely starts a conversation. Not to worry you where here first and i can garantee every now and then you will pop into her mind. Even if its for a brief second and even if its not a possitive thought she has. this can be used to your advantage. Why? because girls like to press the big red button that says 'dnt press me'. What do i mean by this. Well you pop into her mind then she will move onto thinking 'where is he now?','wonder what he's doing with his life'. She will probably ask herself these questions in a 'ha! bet he's the same guy i dumped etc' and might want to press that big red buttong to answer these questions and get the satisfaction of her asumptions of no changes being true. This is when she asks her friends or facebooks you and then BAM! like a slap in the face its the NEW YOU!!! Maybe it will spring up the incentive to talk to you after thoose long months of dryness. maybe not. Either way Later down the line you will have the choice. The new you doesnt need this girl yet has the option of wanting her and you radiate this.

Points to note:
-Dont be a girl and press the big red button, be oblivious to what she is doing with herself. dont go asking friends or looking on facebook to find out how she is. This will not lead to anything good.
-If you bump into her in person be cool. you know "hey how ya doing? oh gta go busy doing something else that isnt crying over you".


I have been abstinent of pressing the red button for about 6 months now and i still think 'ahh ill just have a quick check on fb' but be strong. I deleted her off my facebook and blocked her (slightly different style of breakup ) but this helped me. if you dont want to delete her just make sure she is hidden from throwing every status she posts onto your home page for you to dwell over.

I know i blabbed on a bit and i often dont make much sence. I must admit i was starting to get closer to the red button so reading this post and commenting has been a self help aswell to remind me im on the right path.


Hope it helps

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Tomorow I may learn something new and my opinion might change.

Yeah I know but she's just different from all the other girls. We connected on a certain way which she may have experienced otherwise, but it's just a weak spot, a first love..
I know I should date other girls, but she's just so nice and sweet. Not the FUCKING HB 10 but the bride sort of type... I am not initiating conversations with her, but I dont think shes gonna begin so it may be like this forever.
pffff..
thnx btw y'all

Man I totally know where you are, I do.
But think about it, imagine if tomorow she said yeh I want to get back with you and you said yes. What would be different? Are you far enough down you path of developing yourself to avoid the outcome being a repeat of what it was before?
Things happen for a reason man, yeh maybe you will get together one day further down the line. Maybe you wont.

Dont be the guy that didint move on and is still waiting a couple years down the line.
I know what you feel about this connection, I was not far from thoughts of getting married myself. You feel this way because she is your first and she is what you are use to. You have cemented yourself into a commited relashionship lifestyle, but whether you like it or not this is unfortunately no longer the case.

Saying the phrase 'there are plenty of fish is the sea' seems useless as of yet. This is only because you cant see the reality behind this. I dont mean this as their are replacements out there that are equaliy as good or better. It doesnt work like that. You will not find another girl who is better or worse. You may however find a different girl who makes you just as happy or happier.


When you say this phrase to yourself and can truly understand the meaning of it then you will be over her. Untill then, be stong man. Keep pushing forward (not toward her though )

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Tomorow I may learn something new and my opinion might change.

it was to obvious what you wanted, and she cooled down.. you had to be the one who was hard to get, and not she.. if she was so happy to see you , you had to play it off cool, like it's no big deal, and she would continue to try to get to you.. there is no need to rush thing.. next time, slow down, remember that there are 3 billion other women who are waiting in line to be with you, and put on a frame as if you where still considering if you'll take her back or not.. good luck

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You'll be screaming my name..

I know, plenty other fish lol... It's a small town and it's hard to get to know the HB10's around here..

Anyway, I ran into her yesterday xD. I was with a friend and she seemed happy(like always).. I acted aloof, like I didn't really care about her, and sort of cut off the conversation as it was ending. "Well, bye bye"

That evening she said something online, something funny to catch MY attention. The same friend was with me and he chatted with her. He said that me and her should meet later on that evening. She said that she didn't want to go to my house because she wanted to go outside, it was sunny. Then she went to dinner, so did I.

I thought to myself: "I just ran into her, and I'm already trying to meet up with her again. That's being too AVAILABLE. That's not good."
I texted her: "Heard you wanted to meet up tonight, but I can't.. maybe tomorrow =) x"
Didn't get anything back though.. as expected.

It's tomorrow today and she OFCOURSE didn't initiate contact...

So I really do not know what to do. Texting her to meet up can result into her rejecting, so she has the upper hand AGAIN.
But letting go means no contact at all.. =(

EDIT: lol. initiated chatting and now talking to her goddamnit. Should I say something like: "Well baby, this is your last chance to hang out with me."
She'll probably see through that, and still reject me. Then I'll never initiate contact again.
But I could just say that I've just got to go. But then i still haven't got her.

mooiboy

as first of all, you never break contact with a woman who does not know you well, cuz when you where acting like "bye, bye" in the conversation, she tought "ok, bye" and that was cuz you didn't give her any reason to chase you and force you to stay..

and when you set up meetings, and don't want to seem to available, you have to say il like " I'm free on monday from 13:00 till 15:00, on wendsday from 11:00 to xx , and on sunnday from xx till xx" and then you let her choose when you'll meet up..

p.s. sorry about the grammar mistakes, but I'm from Croatia so..

good luck

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FAST RESPONSES NEEDED!!!!!

Okay this sucks a little bit:

She told me she couldn't meet me the next day cause she was busy.
The next day I texted her some shit so I could still come for a little while.

So I went to her house and waited and waited in my car. I texted her that she only has one more minute. She responded with that I should act normal and she isn't gonna come if i'm like this. (lol)

Ofcourse, I drove away and went to my friends who were waiting for me. She texted shit like: okay, just come back and cut this crap and we can move on. I said I couldn't cause I had plans. Then she said it was my LAST CHANCE to meet up with her. So I declined ofcourse.
She responded : Oh I'm already gone too so dont feel bad. After that one I sent: ahh really i just wanted to come! (sarcastically which she knows it)

Today is the next day and I don't know if she's mad at me or not.
I texted her:
'try to read this and not smile =) hihi'
and 4 hours later: 'hater'

No response back lol so what should I do?
Thought about going to her and saying we should meet up for a sec but chances are big that she says she's busy. (like the romantic me just goes to her house)

Thought about calling/texting her but same situation then. (but less romantic)

And I don't know about freezing out, cause I've been there and I think about her alot so it's not my preference...

Okayyy, so I went to her house with my mother lol. got a new ride and couldn't drive it without her.

She was a bit mad at me for the texting the night before, and said she didn't respond because of that.

So we went to my grandmother with her and my mother and talked a bit. I can still make her laugh but don't know if I've created attraction. She's a different type of girl.
She did however smacked me (sarcastically) and touches me in some ways, so she's sending mixed signals all the time.

When she went back to her house I said we should hang out again. She said that she doesn't want to meet at her or mine's, and wants to GO OUTSIDE and do something like drinks or shit. She said because of our history together we shouldn't meet up at home.

I REALLY want to fck her, but now I said: "Well I can do that with many other people. I just like it with you because its funny and cousy. But nvm x"

Response: 'Well then go do it with other people x'

So I've figured out that she IS NOT going to make contact cause she's STUBBORN AS HELL. I texted her:"You havent changed I see, still so stubborn. Well , if this is what u want... x"

Oh yeah, and they say that you should give her emotions, so I gave her some negative one's I suppose, is that a good thing?

SO PEOPLE HELP HERE: What to do to meet up with her and what could I have done better?

Man, you really want her to hate you.

Nothing will help here. Not even if all the PUA's in the world came and started helping you.

It's game over. Press the reset button and start a new game.
The sooner you realize this, the sooner you'll feel happy again.

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...I read that you should give her a variety of emotions, which leads to attraction.

I could go all listeny and nice to her, but that wouldn't create attraction.

I just don't know what she wants. Are there girls that just want enough attention and love and initiative from the man? Because I've been there before in the relationship and saying sorry has been enough for making up a lot of times. Although I now know that apologizing for things that you aren't sorry for isn't good.

The attraction is still there in some hatred way, so some suggestions would be appreciated.

EDIT: I just got a text from her, saying that I haven't got enough respect for her, so why would she be with me?

What type of response is best in this situation?

Well, texted her that I do have enough respect for her blabla.

She reponded with: 'Then leave me alone for this week. I have to study until Friday.'

I didn't know why so decided to go to her house and ask her why, because in real life she's always much nicer. Couldn't have it more wrong.

Arrived at her house, saw her sitting there. She then went around the corner to hide, I could hear her GIGGLING and asked her stepdad to say that she didn't want to see me.

So when he said that to me, I was like okay bye. But I have never felt so pathetic in my life. I needed a reaction from HER, so I texted her right away that it was the lowest thing that she has done. And then I texted her how she feels about this, and how immature she is.

Then went working out and during her stepdad called me. He said that she did want to meet up with me as friends but that's that. I said that; ''SHE should call me instead of you because the immatureness just keeps growing and she has to grow up once too.'' Ofcourse her stepdad is a nice man, so I didn't get mad at him.

Well, I've never been more embarressed/made fun of in my life. This was rejection to the fullest.

Now I will take everyone's advice about freezing her out forever, because I don't think she deserves another chance.

Does anyone feels different about this situation?
Because I read that you should put your ego aside, because it will only stop you from getting what you want. On the other hand it stops you from falling more.