Why I'm here (The long-term goal)

To be able to pickup any woman – any time - anywhere.

Meet Joe Black

I'm a 20 year old student.

I've been devouring pick up material since January. And have decided it's time to stop reading theory and start practicing. Hard! I’ve never sucked with women. I'm a confident guy. I make effort to look good and keep fit.

But I’m fed up of using alcohol and my social circle to meet girls.

I’m getting numbers with ease now. I’ve got dozens since January but many of them are flaking. I’m all for natural. But I rely too heavily on canned openers and transitions.

I know I have so much to learn. So I’ve decided to take my journal online. I’m going to be posting my trials and tribulations from now on.

My short term goals

-Kill AA
-Improve my ability to sexualise and escalate
-Stop number closing and start kiss closing

If you’ve got tips, I want to hear them.

Hey nice to meet you Joe,

-Kill AA

This is a goal I've also set out to ace. I am working on meditation and Inner Game right now. Today I started exploring the Inner Game forum here on <a href="">PUA Forum</a> and there is a lot over there. It's a good place to start.

Looking forward to your reports.

Do enough comfort building before #closing! Might be a reason for the flakes
Will be checkin this topic more to see ur updates!

Goodluck!

Ok. So I went out last night, a very loud nightclub. I opened a two set and made things very sexual from the start which I was happy about. No success there however.

I then number closed twice - the first I'm sure I could have K-closed and probably F-closed but I bottled it for the following reason:

I felt like I was being judged. I go to university in a very small city. Everyone knows everyone. It's very hard here to sleep with, date or even talk to a lot of girls without getting a reputation.

This is seriously holding me back. I want to approach but I worry that friends of girls I have dated or slept with might see. I worry I'll be known as a guy who sleeps around.

So do I own this reputation? I don't know what to do.

I've managed to stop using drink as a crutch when I go out. I now go out without drinking and have the confidence to approach every now and again-but it's definitely not fast or regular enough.

I've realise that I'm going out with the wrong people also. I go out with friends from my course in big groups, they all drink heavily and keep to themselves. I feel like I have to lose them momentarily to approach or I worry I'll get that "Here he goes again" mentality and they'll all watch.

I need to go out with less people, who are willing and open to meeting new people.
I really need to deal with AA.

I'm doing the newbie mission this weekend so I'll keep you posted.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

[quote="Bacchvs"]Hey nice to meet you Joe,

-Kill AA

This is a goal I've also set out to ace. I am working on meditation and Inner Game right now. Today I started exploring the Inner Game forum here on <a href="">PUA Forum</a> and there is a lot over there. It's a good place to start.

Looking forward to your reports. [/quote]

Tried the newbie mission?

the-newbie-mission-vt41556.html?highlight=

I'm moving back home this weekend for the summer (A big city-finally) and myself and my friend (also into pickup-finally haha) are doing this in our local mall. Lengths of the mall saying hello to everyone.

I'm trying to work on one thing at a time, I can talk about how I need to ework on escalation etc. all day long but I know I haven't dealt with AA yet so that's first!

Ok. The number closes from Tuesday. One flaked. The other (CBeebies Becky I’m calling her) I planned to meet tonight. I’m going to a party. She wanted to come. But two things happened-she told me she was sixteen. And one of the girls I’m seeing is out tonight. We haven’t discussed exclusivity so her seeing me with another girl is more trouble than it’s worth.

I also go home tomorrow for the summer. But I’m visiting in a few weeks so I’ve told her we’ll hang out then. I need to hang out with her before things progress-I tend to have a rule-no younger than 18-but we’ll see.

Today-First direct day game approach. Didn’t close (Yet).

Graphics HB8. I see her around campus all the time. She always makes extensive eye contact so I’m sure there is potential there. Cycled past her today looking a bit “Beach Bum.” (Flip flops, jean shorts, a very old very tattered T-shirt, A rucksack full of books strapped up to the top.) So I wasn’t looking awesome. But I looked and felt comfortable at least.

So. Graphics HB8. Cycled past. Eye contact again. Cycled for a bit and decided to man up. Turned around, caught up with her and cycled alongside. She crossed in front of me as I was coming up behind her and I nearly crashed into her. Could have been Awkward.

Me: Hello (Smile)
Her: Hello (Smile-she stops-good!)
Me: How are you?
Her: I’m good. How are you?
Me: I’m very good thank you. What’s your name?
Her: Amber.
Me: Amber. It’s very nice to meet you Amber. I see you around Uni a lot. Do you mind me asking what year you’re in?
Her: I’m a first year.
Me: So I’m right in assuming you’re going to be here next semester?
Her: Yeah.
Me: Ok Amber. Well I go home for the summer tomorrow. But I really want to take you out. So next semester would you like to go for a drink?
Her: Umm…I have a boyfriend.
Me: Well that really is a shame. Ok Amber, here’s what we’re going to do; I’m going to check in with you in September and see if that’s still the case.
Her: (Laughs) Ok. What’s your name?
Me: My names Joe. (Shakes hand)
Her: Joe (Smiles)
Me: Well it’s very nice to meet you Amber. We’ll talk in September. Have a nice summer.
Her: You too.

I didn’t close and my voice cracked slightly at one point. But the whole conversation felt awesome. I spoke slowly; my intent was obvious and there were pauses in the conversation that I wasn’t intimidated by. All I was thinking about was sleeping with her the whole time I was talking to her and it really helped. I was looking at her like I wanted her. I do want her.

I could have pushed harder but I go home tomorrow. Thinking back now I maybe could have gone for an instant date, she seemed keen and maybe I gave up too quickly.

But I think I’ve definitely got ammunition to re-open her in September (provided she doesn’t forget me Haha.)

Whether it leads somewhere or not I’m happy to have done it. It felt great just to think f**k it and go for it.

Lessons learned

-The quicker I approach the less anxious I feel
-I have to have a ‘f**k it’ mindset if I’m going to kill AA
-When I’m genuinely attracted to a girl body language and eye contact is easy.
-Pauses in the right places are awesome for sexual tension.
-Speak slowly.
-After watching something on one of the forums on here. You have to have intent. Approach and open with the intent of “I want to meet you”. Converse with the intention of “I want to know your secrets” and close with the intent of “I want to have you”

I know I didn’t close but I thought it was an awesome video so I thought I’d share the main points of it. If anyone has the link it would be awesome if you’d post it in this thread.

Missions

-Approach more.
-Approach faster.
-Be more direct.

As always guys, would love to hear any advice you have.

Hey Joe, I love to read into your journal. There are a lot of similarities compared to my life. I hear you on the faster you approach the less anxiety. You know sometimes I have the perfect most natural opener like in-context, but still i won't open which is such ashame.

Maybe we both could set out realistic goals. You state them as missions

Approach as least 3 woman in the mall and open.
Approach when having 3 seconds of eye contact.
Be more direct by uhm this is a difficult one basically, this is something you gain when your comfortable or in a good mood (in my case and now I'm down so)

I don't really think this is much help but I like to help as much as I can

[quote="Bacchvs"][quote]Missions

-Approach more.
-Approach faster.
-Be more direct.
[/quote]

Hey Joe, I love to read into your journal. There are a lot of similarities compared to my life. I hear you on the faster you approach the less anxiety. You know sometimes I have the perfect most natural opener like in-context, but still i won't open which is such ashame.

Maybe we both could set out realistic goals. You state them as missions

Approach as least 3 woman in the mall and open.
Approach when having 3 seconds of eye contact.
Be more direct by uhm this is a difficult one basically, this is something you gain when your comfortable or in a good mood (in my case and now I'm down so)

I don't really think this is much help but I like to help as much as I can

[/quote]

You're right. I need to tackle one thing at a time. So I'm going to start by killing off AA and just approaching and transitioning. It isn't the approach that makes me panic but what to say afterwards.

I'm trying to go for natural but right now I know if I can go in with a canned opener and transition that I can go natural from here. I'm hoping to eventually not need these at all but they're serving me well at the moment. Every now and again I find an opportunity to open naturally and spontaneously and this feels great.

Newbie mission soon-I'll keep you posted.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Awesome day!

I apologise if this a long post. But it has been a busy day. Ok. So I started in town today. Me and my friend did the newbie challenge. We walked through town for about forty five minutes. I said hello to everyone that passed. It felt odd at first but after a while it felt weird not to. I want to feel like this with approaching. I want it to feel weird not to approach-not the other way around.
I really would recommend this. It felt great. Some people look at you like you’re weird. Some people laugh. A lot say hi back. But many people look at you thinking you’re someone important-and it’s great to feel like this. I walked about fifty meters in front and he followed doing the same. We’ve decided we’re going to do this on the way, whenever we go out from now own.
Now onto the approaches. Approached in starbucks, was behind a hb7 in the queue.

Me: Hey. Do you work in topshop?
Her: Yeah I do.
Me: Do you know if there are any jobs going in topman?
Her: I don’t think so. There are in topshop. We hire guys.
Me: Well. Do you think they’d hire me?
Her: Yeah!
Me: Do you think I can pull it off, would you buy clothes from me?
Her: Yeah.
Me: So do you work there full time or are you a student?
Her: I’m a manager.
Me: Wow. A manager at 20…
Her: Three
Me: Ah I was going to say 22, I was close. So are you on your lunch?
Her: Yeah
Me: Want to stay here and talk about cool stuff?
Her: I actually have some really boring stuff that I have to do
Me: That’s a shame. Well this has been fun, how do I keep you contact with you?
Her: I don’t think my boyfriend would like that.

Me: No you’re right; I’m quite a charming guy. So here’s what we’re going to do, I’m going to come to topshop, you’re going to put in a good word for me then we’ll work together, become best mates and I’ll steal you from your boyfriend.
I realize I didn’t get a name. Any other feedback would be great.
Next approach, seated HB8.
Me: Hey. Are you waiting for someone?
Her: No just waiting.
Me: Mind if I wait with you?
Her: Sure.
Me: I’m waiting for my friend. Waiting is so boring. Let’s talk, that’ll be fun. So where is your interview?
Her: Hollister.
Me: No way. Open interview, four o’clock?
Her: Yeah, why?
Me: I was going to go to that.
Her: I’m so nervous, I don’t really want anyone else to be there.
Me: So you don’t want anyone else to be at an open interview?
Her: Laughs. I just don’t think I’ll be any good.
Me: well let’s get a look at you. Very smiley, very friendly, wearing Hollister goods-very clever.
Her: It’s embarrassing.
Me: No, it’s a good idea, definitely beating me on that one.
Her: I’m so nervous.
Me: Well let’s practice. I’ll be the interviewer. So…wait, what’s your name?
Her: Amy
Me: Amy. I’m Elliott. So, Amy. Tell me three interesting things about yourself.
Her: Oh god. Is that what they ask?
Me: they might.
(It went on, general conversation about her interview etc, let’s get to the important part)
Me: how’s your boyfriend going to feel about you working there, every guy that works there looks like a model.
Her: It seems like such a cool place to work.
( Since she changed the subject I assumed she had a boyfriend but thought I’d keep trying)
Me: My friend is here. This has been fun. In case either of us doesn’t get the job and we don’t get to flirt at work, we should keep in touch. How do I contact you?
Her: I don’t think my boyfriend would like that.
Me: Hmm, he might try and fight me.
Her: I don’t think he’d do that.
Me: Amy I do have to go, but it’s been nice meeting you and maybe I’ll see you at work in a few weeks.
Again, any feedback would be great.
Approach, two set in a shop (they opened me, good practice)
HB6/HB4: What’s in the bag, have you been to the gym?
Me: Do you want to know a secret?
HB6: Yeah!
Me: I’m a Hitman.
HB6: Really. Should we be calling the police?
Me: Well that depends, do you like danger?
HB6: Yeah, you’re very mysterious. What is your name?
Me: I can’t tell you, I’d have to kill you.
HB6: Do you have a Hitman alias?
Me: Joe Black.
HB6: How appropriate. (I was dressed all in black)
(More Hitman banter)
Me: Hitmen go out too, when are you taking me out?
Her: When are you taking us out? (HB4 still listening and commenting on the odd occasion.)
Me: Well, I’ve got some people to kill this weekend but most nights this week are good?
Her: Ah. I’m busy every night this week.
Me: Give me your number and we can work something out.
(I have no idea what happened after this but a boyfriend wormed it’s way into the conversation and it fizzled out.)
Again feedback would be great.
Subway Number close.
Number closed in subway. Was with my friend (also into pickup.)Opened by asking about a local VIP card and how it gets you queue jump in practically every club. Found out the two girls were students and asked them where the students go. Said that most of our friends were really narrow minded and only wanted to go to the super clubs. We spoke about this for a while and talked about the really great bars and stuff in the centre that people miss.
I then said the following:
“I go out to have new experiences and meet new people. I don’t know about you but that’s why I go out. But take a look around most bars and clubs and notice how many people are stood in circles, drinking-ignoring everyone else in the bar. And when you go over they do this. Actually, let’s act it out. You approach us”
(This was so fun as I actually managed to make her get out of her chair and approach us in the middle of subway like she was picking us up-very ironic)
I made conversation with my friend and when she came over and introduced herself I made a really weird face at my friend and then nodded my head towards her to suggest that she was odd and I don’t want to talk to her.
“See! So many people do that! How boring is that.”
We spoke more about student nights. I asked if they were out tonight. They said yes. I said thanks we’d love to come, wouldn’t that be fun, sociable and spontaneous. Number close.
Next, number closed on a train.
Opened by asking if she understood an ad across the track. She asked if I did it. I laughed and said no but that I didn’t get it and wanted to see if she did. We spoke about the centre and work etc until she said she was learning to drive. Told her I was selling a car. She said she had one lined up. I said she should have my number anyway in case it didn’t work out. I rang myself and told her to save me in her phone. Train arrived at stop. Nice to meet you, see you soon-on the train probably.
Approached a HB7 who was walking behind me away from station.
Me: Excuse me. Do you know any good pubs round here?
Her: No not really. You’d have to go into the centre.
Me: Oh right. Well I’m headed this way, mind if I walk with you.
Her: Sure. So where are you from?
Me: Well I’m from here but I haven’t been here for ages, I’m back visiting my parents, but I always used to go into the centre but I fancy going to the pub.
Her: Well there aren’t any round here (there are funnily)
Me: How boring.
Her: I know.
Me: So what do you do for fun?
Her: Movies.
Me: I love movies. What’s the best movie you’ve ever seen?
Her: Inception.
Me: Inception is a good film. Do you know that on the list of the top 250 films ever made it’s already number seven. Number one is a film that’s decades old.
Her: Sorry. This is my flat.
Me: OK. Well it’s been nice talking. What’s your name?
Her: Ara
Me: How do you pronounce that again?
Her: A-R-A
I gave my name and said it was nice to meet her. Wish I had asked if she wanted to watch a movie sometime but hopefully I’ll run into her again. I was just in a really good mood. It’s starting to feel weird not to approach a woman I find attractive which is great.

Any tips guys I’d love to hear. I’m meeting the girls from subway tonight. Wish me luck.

I'm not doing daygame myself much really but u are doing good, u keep a good flow in the conversations and it seems these girls are having fun talking to you!

keep up the nice work!

[quote="Hobbit"]You'll get more feedback if you write in a concise, structured way which invites people to read and then comment. Writing every line of a conversation, for example, is not the way to get people to read.[/quote]

Thanks man, I'll cut it down.

Tonight, Got greedy.

Thing started so well. But then we got greedy and it went downhill from there. Me and my friend went to a magic bar. I ordered a drink and was given change. The note had been folded into a t-shirt. The barman told me the girls had done it. I opened them by asking how to do it. There was a HB7, HB6 and HB5.

Went really well. One of them studied psychology which was good conversational topic. But we kept things light and fun. Neither me or my friend was drinking. We were doing well-naturally. No canned lines. Displaying great value-and generally being fun people to be with.

My friend met a guy the other week who’s into pickup and he came to meet us. More friends of the three-set arrived. A guy, a HB8 and a HB9. We spoke, watched some magic which was great fun-I love magic. The magician was full of jokes and innuendos which was a great way to change the tone.

We flattered the guy the girls were with but had been told he was sleeping with either the HB8 or HB9 which threw me a bit. They weren’t in a relationship but I didn’t want to say-so which one are you shagging?

Flirted with the HB6 on the way to the club-HB7 has a boyfriend and I couldn’t seem to isolate HB8/9 from the guy.

So good points so far-we had naturally approached, spoke to and convinced to come to another venue-a large group people. Two of which were hot!

Where it went wrong?

We got greedy. We got into the club. We looked confident, we looked interesting. But we didn’t live up to it. We were getting a lot of IOI’s so we ditched the group of girls-Big Mistake! They actually doing us a really big favour by hanging out and talking to us.

It went downhill form here. There were three of us-all into pickup. And that’s all we ended up doing-was talking about pickup. We didn’t really approach much, talking about pickup brought back AA.,

and I also didn’t stick to the three second rule at all. I was getting so many IOI’s from different girls but ended up approaching only a few after far too long and saying something far too innocent and over-thought. We went from being eye fucked by every girl in the club to being just another average group of guys. (There were several big men in very tight t-shirts standing around looking bored and like they were about to burst a blood vessel. We didn’t look that bad-but it wasn’t great.)

It was impossible to make conversation. It was a bar/club but so loud that every other sentence you said had to be repeated. I was also going in with very pathetic indirect openers and thinking now about the type of venue and the type of girls-direct was what was needed.

The girls wanted to be opened. Even if it was just to reject us like they had every other poor man that night. But the eye contact was crazy. I didn’t act on it. After such a good day I have to say tonight was disappointing.

One girl actually opened me about an accessory I was wearing-a gladiator style leather wrist-strap. Sadly my friend had already found out she had a boyfriend and told me so I made no effort to pick her up. Wish he hadn’t told me-the practice would have been good.

So lessons learned.

-Don’t get greedy.
-If you’re struggling to hear each other-go direct.
-Stick to the three second rule!
-Stop talking about game when I’m out.
-Still need to nail AA. Was putting a lot of girls on a pedestal tonight. There were clearly some popular girls there tonight and I let this get to me and I shouldn’t have. I opened one girl and she just completely ignored me which got to me a bit-but obviously what I said wasn’t interesting so I only have myself to blame.
-Clubs need social proof and direct game.

If anyone has any tips or contrasting opinions please let me know I would love to hear what you think.

Ok. Hit a bar last night. A much better night. A girl from my friends’ work gave us a lift. Very hot. It was great, had so much fun on the way to town. Turned the conversation sexual within a few minutes and was incredibly direct the entire time. I was saying things I have never said to a girl before. But I was getting away with it. She was enjoying it and bantering back.

So this put me in a great mood. We were waiting a while for my friend to get ready. We had to go straight to the club as a result, which is lame because I wanted to go to some bars first and “get in the zone”. Awesome video linked below:

http://www.daygame.com/2011/videos/over ... -shifting/

But we improvised. After all the banter in the car we said hi to everyone on the way to the club and had fun amongst ourselves. We got into the club and started making each other approach. Initially-just going and getting high fives from groups of girls. But we found that most of them wanted to talk to us.

I sent my mate over to a three set on the edge of the dance floor and he managed to hook them so I went over and started talking to the HB8. Asked her for a high five and then taught her a manage handshake. She said she wanted to get it down a few times and I said we should do it every time we see each other and we’ll look cool. She laughed and agreed. I asked where else she would like to shale hands and she invited me out tonight so I might take her up on it. Got her number and ejected. I intended to go back later but couldn’t find her. I probably should have gone for a KC.

We continued doing this all night-the pressure really helped. I opened most groups just by asking if they were sociable and saying that I was out meeting new people. I number closed again after approaching a three set- HB7, HB4 & a guy, I isolated the girl somewhat and said that she seems fun but we’ll have go to out so I can know for sure. She said she’d add me on facebook. I told her I rarely use facebook and she gave her number.

I number closed a girl at the bar. Approached her from the side and touched her lightly on the arm. She was stood behind a he group of people. I asked if she was waiting for a drink or was just really popular. She said she was really popular. We bantered a bit and she said “You’re my new boyfriend and you’re invited to a party tomorrow night.”

I told her I’d love to be her boyfriend. That we make a really hot couple and that we’d make beautiful children. I wish I had taken the opportunity to escalate her and talked about all the ex we were going to have etc. Oh well. I did get her friend to take some pictures of us doing cheesy stock couples poses. I brought the party back up and said she should give me her number and I’ll text her about it tomorrow. She said she had a boyfriend and I said that’s fine so do I. She laughed. I said that I thought she’d make a good friend and I’m intending on making more. She said her boyfriend wouldn’t like it. I told her just to tell him I’m gay and the fact that we want each other can be our secret. I got her number but it probably won’t lead anywhere.

My friend number closed a couple of times too and I acted as a wing which was cool. We approached a few more sets but, some of which we stayed in for a while and had great fun but they didn’t lead anywhere.

My friend challenged me to approach on set. One HB8 surrounded by guys-they were all huge. I went for it. I opened one of the guys by saying that he looked like a cyclist. He said he was. He was pretty hostile. I told him I’m restoring an old bike (which I am) and need loads of parts-where is good to buy them in the centre. We spoke shortly and I ejected. I got a bad vibe from him and I just didn’t have the confidence to try and isolate the girl.

Any feedback would be awesome guys.

[quote="Hobbit"][quote]I told her I’d love to be her boyfriend. That we make a really hot couple and that we’d make beautiful children. I wish I had taken the opportunity to escalate her and talked about all the ex we were going to have etc. Oh well. I did get her friend to take some pictures of us doing cheesy stock couples poses. I brought the party back up and said she should give me her number and I’ll text her about it tomorrow. She said she had a boyfriend and I said that’s fine so do I. She laughed. I said that I thought she’d make a good friend and I’m intending on making more. She said her boyfriend wouldn’t like it. I told her just to tell him I’m gay and the fact that we want each other can be our secret. I got her number but it probably won’t lead anywhere.
[/quote]
Sounds like you are handling things well. You can look up a ton of funny things to say when a girl talks about boyfriends -- a lot of times those BFs don't exist. So don't jump to conclusions so soon that it's a lost cause.[/quote]

Thanks man. that's a good point. I text her today actually and she replied, we'll see if it leads anywhere.

[quote="Bacchvs"]Hey nice to meet you Joe,

-Kill AA

This is a goal I've also set out to ace. I am working on meditation and Inner Game right now. Today I started exploring the Inner Game forum here on <a href="">PUA Forum</a> and there is a lot over there. It's a good place to start.

Looking forward to your reports. [/quote]

Alright man. Just posting and I saw your comment. Me and my wing have been taking it in turns to challenge each other to appraoch. This honestly is helping so much. It becomes a game. You make each other appraoch- at times- really difficult sets. All of sudden getting blown out becomes funny and you're no longer a guy who's just out to pickup girls but to have fun with his friend.