i was wondering, when your dealin with dinner and a movie, whats best? dinner first? or movie first? this isnt an opener, although it could be turned into one easily.

Rarely would i take a girl to a "dinner and a movie". Every guy takes a girl to "dinner and a movie". Remember, the PUA is the exception to everyone else.

When you are asking a girl on a date before you get her into a relationship dont make it look like you are making special plans for her. Instead, make it look like you are going somewhere anyway and you are letting her tag along. If you are going shopping, going to buy a birthday gift for a girl whose a friend of yours (I love this one, it shows you have other girls in your life, gets her input on something [perfect time for cocky/funny], and later on in the relationship you can give her the gift you bought for this supposed friend. Its great, and I actually just thought of that as I am writing. I think I will try this out), you are going rock climbing or you are looking at mobile phones that day. Basically, you need to let her know that you are fun and in high demand and that you are allowing her to come along.

Don't do dinner and a movie.
Everyone does dinner and a movie.
You know everyone does dinner and a movie.
So don't do it.


- Memento

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Memento is right on here. You just have some sort of thing you're doing and you ask her if she wants to tag along. You don't want to seem like you really care one way or the other, because that's what will make them want to come.

Once you're in a relationship for a while, there's nothing wrong with dinner and a movie now and then, but remember not to pay for everything, you can get dinner, she can get the movie, or you get the movie and she gets snacks. Just because you are in a relationship, don't revert to AFC ways, or you'll lose her.

Movies are bad places to start relationships though, because you can't talk really, its hard to instigate harmless seeming kino and turn it into more, it always just seems like more from the start when you put an arm around her or you hand on her leg at a movie.

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