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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 7:09 am 
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Ok guys, I see that this post is going into a personal conflict so I wanted to conclude it.

I talked to her. She told me she misses me a lot. I told her "You know I would really appreciate if you called me even just to hear my voice or ask how my day is when you miss me. I would be ok with that." She says "Then I wouldn't stop talking all day long." and continues making excuses why she hasn't called me tonight and repeats a text she would send me at the end of the night. I stop her and say "Ok, your text sounds sweet but I am not only talking about tonight. That's fine with me as long as you know that you can call me once in a while. You remember telling me that it makes you happy when I call you? I beleive a relationship is more beatiful when both people are both happy and I also want you to enjoy calling me because I am not doing it as an obligation.". She apologizes and says she will do it.

I hope it got the message across. We will see! :wink:


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^Well done, I think you handled that pretty well


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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 9:16 am 
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from all of this..im kind of going through the same thing right now. for me i think if you talk about it with her..she might do it js because you said so. i think what you are wanting is for her to WANT to text you and what not, not js doing it because you say so. well atleast for me that is the case. playing mind games might be the way to get her to WANT to do these things rather than js do them js because you said so.


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BTW i feel like a bitch everytime i try to talk about things rather than get mad at it. trying this new shit and it pisses me off even more when its supposed to be healthier for the relationship.


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i hear ya, hobbit.

i comment a lot in this forum. i speak my mind when i do. i assume that we owe at least that much, our honest thoughts. i make no qualms about the fact that i have a rather jaded point-of-view. i've had a hard road in life, not just with relationships. some of these hardships were my own creation, some not so much. i have done a lot of self-work. it doesn't necessarily show through because i don't talk much about "my life" or "my experiences".

i just offer my opinions, which unashamedly come from the point-of-view of a rather skeptical and cynical person. another thing i should clarify about myself, i am not hear to become a pua. i don't want to be a pua. i'm quite content to not be an afc anymore. and when i say "afc", i mean being submissive to a woman. my personal experiences do shade my comments. but i never maintain that my point-of-view is the appropriate one to adopt or that it will lead the reader to success or happiness. quite to the contrary, if people actually listen to my "point-of-view" and interpret it as "advice", they will likely end up as i am by choice. alone.

am i happy being alone? well, let me define "alone". by alone, i mean emotionally alone. i can be in or out of a relationship now, dating or not dating, getting laid or not getting laid, and regardless, i am alone. i do not trust. all whom i've trusted have proven they were not worthy of that trust. am i open to trusting anymore? yes, i am. however, again because of my experiences, my bar has been raised very high and no woman has met that bar in a very long time. and i doubt that any will. with that being said, i would still rather be "alone" than "not alone" and used/abused/disregarded. i've never met a woman who gave a fuck about me the way i feel that she should. so, i give a fuck about myself.

in my opinion, women can make great "friendly acquaintances". they are also fun to fuck. other than that, i have no use for them. who knows? maybe some day, THE ONE will come strolling along. until then, she will maintain her mythological status in my life.

the fact of the matter is that i do not have any problem getting pussy. i've never applied myself and been denied to be honest. i am quite choosy and have my dry spells, again by choice (because i won't dance like a monkeyboy to get pussy), but on any given day i can pick up a girl if i want to. the odd thing is this: two years ago, my long term relationship, basically a marriage, ended on a very bad note. i changed. i'm simply not the same person before. i now have the opinions and beliefs that you've heard me express here on this forum. oddly enough, since that time i can't keep the women off of me. they are drawn to me with some force of magnetism that i have never experienced before. what is it about this cynicism and emotional "closed"-ness that attracts them so strongly? i don't know.

but i will never say that i am a pua. in fact, i get private messages all the time here on this website with people asking my advice on how to handle situations. actually, just one yesterday. i replied explaining that i am not equipped to give advice for picking up girls or the best way to maintain a relationship in a healthy fashion (having never experienced that, and somewhat believing it's not even possible).

nope. my COMMENTS are not ADVICE, they are my OPINIONS based on my EXPERIENCES. but i don't share them to harm, or hurt, or generate drama. instead, i share them because, quite frankly, cynical and jaded - or not - i believe them to be truthful. and i think some of these guys are, quite plainly put, TOO FUCKING NICE and need to learn how to be a dick like me in order to be bitch-slapped into the reality that the vast majority of women (or people in general) are fucking selfish users.

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:18 am 
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I would slow down or stop initiating communication all together. Let her get in contact with YOU.
Exactly the advice that I was abotu to give. Nicely put sinful.

I was in this situation with one of my ex girlfriends. Stop contacting her...you're basically being her bitch right now and she keeps on with it because she knows she can get away with it.

Do this:

STOP contacting her!

Wait. . .

If she contacts you back with a normal response, "hey, what's up?" be happy and joking to give the vibe that you didn't do anything strange.

If she contacts you back with an attitude, "Where have you been?! Why haven't you been calling?!" simply say something like "I've been getting kind of busy lately...Why haven't you been calling?!" She'll get the point

If she doesn't contact you back at all within 3 - 4 days (unless u guys always go 3 days without talking) then she's not worth it. This basically means that you're not on her mind.

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I would slow down or stop initiating communication all together. Let her get in contact with YOU.
Exactly the advice that I was abotu to give. Nicely put sinful.

I was in this situation with one of my ex girlfriends. Stop contacting her...you're basically being her bitch right now and she keeps on with it because she knows she can get away with it.

Do this:

STOP contacting her!

Wait. . .

If she contacts you back with a normal response, "hey, what's up?" be happy and joking to give the vibe that you didn't do anything strange.

If she contacts you back with an attitude, "Where have you been?! Why haven't you been calling?!" simply say something like "I've been getting kind of busy lately...Why haven't you been calling?!" She'll get the point

If she doesn't contact you back at all within 3 - 4 days (unless u guys always go 3 days without talking) then she's not worth it. This basically means that you're not on her mind.
Compare this response to what you just found out in your own post about whether to communicate with your girl or not when you have a problem. Your sex life didn't improve by "freezing her out." Now, why are you suggesting something different?

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Hobbit, what Sinful is trying to tell and HAS told you, is that what you're saying is rational, and SHOULD work, until you try it and find out that women despise you for being respectful, honest, sincere... that it WOULD be great if you could talk to women like that and it would work, but IT DOESN'T!

Women INSIST on only responding positively to reverse psychology bullshit.
Using such "tactics" doesn't say anything about the morality of the guy, but says a lot about the morality (or lack thereof) of women.

Yes, it WOULD be nice if women told you what they really wanted, and you could tell them what you really wanted. Yes, it WOULD be nice and simple and straightforward and honest if you could walk up to a girl, introduce yourself and tell her you like her, but IT DOESN'T WORK because women punish you for honesty. They say they want an honest guy who wears his heart on his sleeve, but if you take their advice and as soon as you do that they are repulsed by you.

The thing that further decreases my respect for women is that they start seeing things our way, start REALLY valuing honesty (not just paying lip service to it) as they get older (read thirties). They start to see, the long hard way, how stupid, selfish and short-sighted they have been. How their stereotypes of "alpha behavior" and "loser behavior" have lost them many good long-term-material partners who would have been loyal to them. How their thrill seeking, chasing after the kicks of "challenges" was very temporary, and that relationships are more than and should extend beyond NRE (New Relationship Energy)... how their thrill seeking has hurt them long-term.

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She doesn't call you because she takes you for granted. You should SIMULTANEOUSLY (1) talk to her about the problem, (2) mirror her indifference, play hard-to-get, pretend you're busy etc. and (3) start connecting/grooming/gaming a new girl/s to switch over to her when or if your relationship with your current girlfriend doesn't move forward or this problem isn't solved.

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:53 pm 
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Hobbit, what Sinful is trying to tell and HAS told you, is that what you're saying is rational, and SHOULD work, until you try it and find out that women despise you for being respectful, honest, sincere... that it WOULD be great if you could talk to women like that and it would work, but IT DOESN'T!
If you cant speak honestly and sincerely to your GF, then what point is there being in a relationship with her? Relationships are based on communication, without that critical foundation, they collapse very easily.
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Women INSIST on only responding positively to reverse psychology bullshit.
Using such "tactics" doesn't say anything about the morality of the guy, but says a lot about the morality (or lack thereof) of women.
Not all women do. Those who behave like that arent relationship material
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Yes, it WOULD be nice if women told you what they really wanted, and you could tell them what you really wanted. Yes, it WOULD be nice and simple and straightforward and honest if you could walk up to a girl, introduce yourself and tell her you like her, but IT DOESN'T WORK because women punish you for honesty. They say they want an honest guy who wears his heart on his sleeve, but if you take their advice and as soon as you do that they are repulsed by you.
Its awesome being able to tell them what you want, but you;ve got to be able to handle hearing what they want as well. If you can both handle that, the relationship will be alot less maintenance and you will be alot happier

I completely agree with Hobbit. Talking is the best way to solve problems. Games are not for relationships. If you have to play games to maintain your relationship, then you should stop and think why you are still in the relationship. If you arent keeping each other happy and cant talk about what bothers you, no matter how insignificant it might be, then those little problems end up snow balling and becoming bigger ones. If you address problems as they arise, the effort to solve them is far less than once they've gotten out of hand.

Relationships are about wanting to do things for the other person, not being obliged to do things to maintain their interest. I've had shit relationships where I've been obliged to do things and all it did was slowly build resentment. Now I'm in a relationship where I can speak honestly and get an honest response. If either of us do something the other doesnt like, theres a calm discussion and a fix or compromise is made so that both of us a happy with the result.

Sure not all women can handle hearing the truth, but if you want to speak honestly, stress less and not have to play games, then why would you even consider those women for a relationship?


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