First off, I was introduce to so many new problems in the morning to the evening. So I was down, and wasnt hyped about gaming/sarging as I hoped to be.

SO there's this party that the community service that I go to through. It was a holloween party. So no alchohol, GOOD, coz I came alone driving. I'm happy about what happened, since this time I opened and got to experiment alot of my own opener. SOrry, but I'm not gonna post my openers at the moment, I need to Field Test it some more.

OK, here's a brief summary of what happened, then I'll break it down. I opened magnificently and opened alot of girls, I got opened, I DHV'd at times, I DLV'd at times, KINO'd alot(but not in the way that I would've loved. But I like), screwed up routines. The ages of the girls that I talked/game/w.e were 16, 17, 18. I'm 18, so I had an extreme problem with sarging the two 16 yr olds that were totally into me.

Here's the break down. I came in, turned in my permission slip(I'm an adult so I signed it, but the ones underage had to get permission signed by parents. I'll tell you why I explained that later), then I went in greeted friend I know. Then the 16 yr went and opened me, she was wearing a really short skirt and I was thinking, "FUCK! She has a fucking HOT body. FUCK what am I doing, she's 16!"

HB8: hey
I ignore her pretending I heard some thing. So she punches me in the arm
ME: what?
HB8: have you seen the pumpkin we made?
ME: No. where is it
she points
ME: I don't know which one uR pointing at. Show me
She showed me a pumpkin with an afro
ME: It kinda looks like you.
HB8: Shut up.

then we talked about some stuff. I didn't wanna DHV or go to a routine, since she's 16. aack. I moved on. Then I see this girl, I through my own opener, It was gold. But couldn't transition to a DHV or routine. I just milked the opener, I froze basically. I went outside, talked to my friend and he told me some FUCK UP SHIT! His best friend got with the girl he liked 2 weeks ago. So I was like, who's his gf. He told me. I wanted to game her, but my skills arent there yet. I hate it when that shit happens to nice guys. I felt really bad for him, he almost shed a tear. So I'm like, aaaack. His best friend was also a friend of mine, so it was really messed up.


I went inside got a drink of soda and a pizza. Went outside and saw my friend's boyfriend and his friends. She didn't wanna let him in, coz some one is mad at him inside. I chilled with them. Talked, then my friend's best friend(18 yr old, college) came to the set.

friend's BF: So who are you supposed to be(to his GF's best friend/HB9.5, very attractive)
Me: She's a chola
HB9: No I'm not
Me: fine a blood(she was wearing a red bandanna)
HB9: Shut up
Friend's BF: So what are you then?
HB9: I'm...asian...hahaha
Me: Really? That is so not obvious. and uR a bad liar. You're jewish!
Everyone laughs including the HB9.
HB9: what I'm not. uR so mean. Shut up
Me: Say hi to uR rabbi for me tomorrow.
Everyone laughs again, my friend's bF is looking at me as if he was saying, "dude, uR flirting with her, get her number." But I think she has a BF. So now my friends comes in, and takes her away. Aww...So me and the guys talk, then I went back in.

She saw me and pushed me. I pushed her back, then looked away. This happened ALOT, and there was one time where she tried to push me and I got her hand and we held it for a LONG time. SO I was getting alot of kino, which I thought was my sticking point. We flirted alot, good thing her DUFF cockblock was nowhere to be seen. But I couldn't transition from flirting to a DHV, Routine, or isolation. FUUCK!

So I went and sat down behind the table where they collect the permission slip. And got a great situational opener. People who turned in the permission slip was stamped on the hand. Everyone turned it in already, no one was left behind. I went: "Where is uR permission slip"

The girls ignored me, but they were HB6s at best. Then the girl(HB8, 17 yr old, senior HS) who is actually handling the job next to me said...

HB8: It's not working
Me: Just keep watching.
I wanted to game her, but got distracted, coz this girl(HB8.5, 18 yr old) I know came to the table looked at me, and air kissed me(I don't know how to explain it, but its like pecking, but doing it at the air...w.e)

Me: Hey, I charge for that.
HB8.5: No I charge for that.
end...yeah I know, LAME

then this girl(HB8) responded to me(there were others who responded too but I didn't take it anywhere).

Me: uR Permission slip
HB8.5: I already turned it in!
Me: Liar!
HB: here! (showed me her stamp)
Me: that's fake

So we kept flirting back and forth during the party, but like the HB9.5, I couldn't transition. I small talked only to find out she was a Junior/16 yr old. DAMN!

Then there's this HB6(17 yr old), I found out she's crazy into me 2 weeks earlier, and I thought, "hmm...Let me just practice with her, it doesn't really matter, since she's not that HOT, and she's already into me, plus she's not 16 or under." She opened, then I said something. I transitioned from a routine, but she wasn't into it? WTF? She was bored. When I was around, WTF? I tried to DHV, talking to my friend next to her. But she just turned off, WTF? SO I failed with her, but it wasn't like it was nothing. Coz It fazed me that nothing worked, THE DHV, the routine, didn't work for crap. I did some cocky/funny negs/statements, also didn't work. Didn't get a single laugh. Then I went and told my friend, "Well, I saw this girl tonight at the party. She looked so bored, but why is she at the party. Have you seen her? She's wearing[describing her outfit]." All I get was a smile. I neg her for being bored, and she was like, well I have to be here. I got pissed. This just shut down my energy/gaming.


SO I just kept flirting with the other girls I flirted with the other girls I was flirting with earlier. But still couldn't transition, that shit took a toll on me. Frikkin HB6! LOL



So I actually did well this time around. Found new sticking points...Transitioning, DHV, Routines, and other things I missed...If you see any other thing wrong Please Point them out.

Any advice would be excellent.

you know what, i bet you're thinking too much. basically i've found when you think too much about gaming girls, you end up fucking up way more. you're too focused on ACTING like a pua, and thinking about negs, being cocky/funny, your DHVs, etc.... and not enough time just being yourself.

i mean you basically need to combine the two and turn it into a whole new personality. you can't become a pua overnight, but you can change little factors of yourself over a period of time and gradually things will change.


for example when you're out in the field, just be alpha and don't care too much about impressing them with DHV stories or getting them attracted (A1, A2). Think of things as a casual conversation... then questions will just come and answers will be more detailed/authentic. If you truly can't think of anything to say then go with the casual (so where are you from again?, how do you know blah blah blah? what school are you going to/what are you majoring in?, etc..). you may think it's afc but it wont be if you just neg her on some things and don't show too much interest (turn your head and say hi to one of your friends that pass by while she's talking, or maybe check your text messages for example).

inner game and social proof are huge. if you can get everyone to like you then THAT is gold. although you were getting kino and getting IOIs for being a "jerk" (because girls like jerks)... it was ONLY because you're not treating them the way everyone else does. you negged them and acted unimpressed, you made jokes and got some people to laugh. that gained you some temporary interest but you'll need to transition into gaining her trust and comfort.

you already know that you needed to transition to DHVs to gain their interest, maybe you can do that by asking questions about themselves. some examples might be:

PUA: "they're just giving everyone the same stamp! that doesn't really tell us apart, now we all just look the same. so what makes you different from everyone else, besides blah blah blah (maybe neg her or something)"

PUA: "i've noticed you haven't really talked to anyone this whole night. having a bad day or are you just being antisocial?"


you need to learn how to pass shit tests. it's as easy as just shrugging your shoulders and changing the topic to something that may DHV you (or you can ask an interesting question). other possible alternatives may be:

PUA: "you're just repeating what i said, that's not very original. so tell me what makes you different from all the other girls around here... besides having bad comebacks" *smile*

PUA: "yea, but i wouldn't pay for that" *smile*

you'll get shit tested so many times, so you need to know how to pass them. don't break character, don't give them any sort of satisfaction and that includes being quiet! it shows that they've won and that you're an afc like everyone else. if you're alpha then you'll pretty much always pass because you'll have that "i dont give a shit about impressing you anyway, attitude". you need to act like you don't care about them and that you have better things to do than talk to them.

you're doing a fine job showing that you're not intimidated by her, but that works best AFTER you've got her attracted to you. build some attraction by DHVing before you make jokes, or keep the negs light because you may come off as a jerk. if you already know them then it's ok, but when you first meet someone it's best to show that you're interesting and that you are a decent person (worthy of being a boyfriend/somewhat nice) before being a jerk that makes you mysterious/exciting.

everyone loves adventure and they love chasing if the catch (YOU) is worth it. so you need to make yourself worth it and worthy of chasing. make them fall in love with you and then make them qualify by negging. reward them with IOIs when they give you IOIs.

you can use jokes/negs as an opener but you must transition into DHVs. DHV DHV DHV, make yourself an interesting person and they'll be dying to hear more stories from you. being nice counts as a DHV but it depends on how you show that you're nice. you can't act needy in anyway and you need to keep that alpha attitude, but still BEING NICE IS A DHV... i don't care what anyone else says. the only reason why it doesn't SEEM like pua's are nice is because we show that we're nice through DHV stories and when we're building comfort. other than that we use negs to keep things exciting and to make them chase us, why would they chase us if they didnt think we were worth it.

from what i'm seeing, i'm pretty sure you'll DHV yourself by just being yourself. tell stories about things that happen with your friends, etc. ask questions with interesting topics... talk about your past and high school and maybe how you might want to change things or why you wouldn't. HAVING AN OPINION IS A DHV, so just tell it like it is and be secure with yourself.

anyway i'm too lazy to keep typing haha, i'm off to read someone elses post lol. hope i've helped at least a little bit, and happy sarging =)

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by Casual (Age 20, Upcoming PUA)

OMG dude...uR the best...no one's given me advice like that.

Totally cleared aLOT of stuff for me. You didn't help a little bit, you've helped alot. I'm gonna do some day game tomorrow. I'm usually discouraged when going alone(none of my friends are into this stuff), but tonight inspired me to be better.


dude, thx a million. I think I know now why didnt any routines worked on that HB6...I was being a jerk, negging when I haven't DHV'd. DUde thx again for the great advices

lol no problem? honestly, i've been so afc lately though. i'm having huge AA for some reason, i guess it's been a while since i've really went out sarging, not to mention i've been preoccupied with other things.

i even missed this HB7 earlier today. it was soooo easy too, she was at the arcade just playing puzzle fighters... all i had to do was open and i probably would have #-closed. but missing opportunities like that makes me beat myself up and encourages me to just get better.

take advantage of the 3 second rule and keep your inner game up. be observant and learn from every set you open. maybe analyze your situation and think of possible outcomes.... be the best fucking pua you can be haha. good luck!! hope everything goes well...

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by Casual (Age 20, Upcoming PUA)

Hey future wing,

I think you did just fine for your second sarge. You opened a lot of sets, but did you also lock-in (making it look the girls were gaming you)? I can't tell from the post. I think that you lacked that and therefore the social proof.

@Casual: I think you're going to fast to A3 when you have this: Here you are qualifying the girl, but he just said he had trouble with A2 (DHV-ing), so you're skipping A2. I would have negged her and said something like: Important is not to let her talk and interrupt you, stack your next routine so you take over the frame.

Next time you're with a girl, try to merge some sets to gain social proof. Since you're at a party, this is easy. Say to the girl you're talking with:
"Lets make some friends..."
[take her arm and open another set with you're canned opener]

Makes a huge difference for social proof!

that's true, but it's not like you need to follow mystery's exact method of picking up women, you need to be original and feel it out. you don't pass A2 with just one sentence either...

when i said this:

PUA: You're just repeating what i said, that's not very original. so tell me what makes you different from all the other girls around here... besides having bad comebacks. *smile*

i probably could leave out the question since it was rewarding her with an IOI before she was interested and before we DHV'd. but in those cases, especially when you're out doing your own thing, having fun, partying and meeting so many people. you're not exactly going to say the perfect thing to every single person, the key is to make an impression on everyone and think about things more clearly later or as you go. either way i was just typing random crap anyway, sometimes i forget the main topic and talk about gaming in general.

basically what i was trying to say was that he should transition into longer conversation whether or not he is goin to game them. so it doesn't matter what you say... you can redeem yourself later. picking up women is not a formally, it's about getting a feel for the person, once you understand what they want in a guy (typically the secure, confident, alpha and mysterious, etc guy...) then you can work based off your analysis, but you won't know until you talk to them longer than one sentence. as long as you can get them to talk to you, you can focus on what to say/do later on. that's exactly why openers aren't a huge factor... because you can fix things later. A1-A2-A3-C1, etc.. doesn't exactly matter.. just game the girl, as many as you can... try different methods, what works what doesn't work. try to get inside their head is the main key, and think 3 steps ahead of they are... or in ways they might not even think possible. have fun, be yourself... live and learn.
i agree with this. see, this is the real thing you need to remember. just pass the shit test and go back into your own thing which is basically acting alpha. if you're leading, they will always follow. trust me. you may have to worry about AMOGs, but you are owning the conversation if you don't even give them a chance to talk. YOU are the one asking questions, YOU are the one telling stories, YOU are the one LETTING them tell stories, which you can immediately switch back into because you are alpha.

*just shrug and change topics*... thats the best way to go.

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by Casual (Age 20, Upcoming PUA)

I have to go with Casual on this:

PU is a dynamic. You dont have to follow the EXACT structure to Mystery Method, infact you dont have to follow MM. I mix everything together.

Infact i no longer try to get girls to be attracted to me i assume attraction is already there and just screen her for qualities i like. My attractive qualities just come out in conversation since i know how to DHV on the fly.

Think about it, if you really a guy 10. then you would never need to make people attracted to you, your already attractive.

Dont worry too much about fucking up on little bits and bobs Calboi.

I would add more advice but Casual has done such a good job !
The only thing I'd say would be to keep getting out there, you've been on the forum for a long time now! And this is only your second FR! Get out!

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Ratio theroy...

uR right Chikito

I just got caught up getting back in shape. But I'll get nowhere making excuses.


thx guys for all the help. You guys helped a whole LOT.