we talk on the phone/text every day pretty much. When we go out, it's like we both know that we can do anything sexual and thats cool with both of us. she makes me look good by coming and hugging me when im talking to some chicks.
we are both really open with each other, i told her about every girl i've dated, farked, or played. yes, she knows im a playa. lately, a lot of my friends tell me to go for it and be her bf. i have thought about it before and always told myself to stop asking every girl that i meet out so i can get some lady friends.
what triggered my attention what the last few messages we sent each other. she said "... i want to romp! ", as in, i wanna party instead of studying.. so i said "my parents are sleeping, you can sneak it ;b" and her reply was "...it will ruin our friendship, i know it will...."
so that showed me that she is actully down but scared to ruin the friendship like she said.

so i made my first move. she left yesterday to mexico for a week. when she comes back, i told her we are going on a "play date", rock-climbing then sushi. she added hiking in it.

the reason i said "play date" is so she doesnt think it's an actual bf/gf date, but rather so she can see what it would be like if she was dating me. thats my logic here. now i know it will be hella fun on that day with her, my one question is, should i go for the kill? at the top of the mountain perhaps (when we go hiking)?

Hell yeah bro, if ur feeling it and the vibe is right go for the kill

Bwahahahaha for some reason when I read this, I thought... "RICOLA"

Does anyone else remember those ads? Seriously, slimsta, if you yell "Ricola" at the top of the mountain while busting a nut I'll buy you a sandwich and, maybe, give you a high-five.

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You're close enough to not have to start at the beginning. Tell her it will make you better friends.

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I'm a winner - I am going to win.

Don't talk, do.

Physically escalate. Turn her on.

If you talk, it makes her think, and she'll say no, regardless of whether or not if she wants it.

Escalate, and see how she reacts. Be firm, unwavering.

(Obviously if she pulls out the mace, you stop.)

Best of luck.

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"I'm going to give you a definite... maybe."

i had to check what ricola meant, and i saw some videos about some coughing pill. so i dont get the joke

here is my plan:
when we hike, im gonna bring music with us, and gonna have fun. when we get to the top, or the point we want to stop at, ill sit down to watch the view and call her to sit next to me (unless she does it herself obviously). then, im going to look at her and tell her "i know something that will not forget", she will most likely ask what is it.. and ill say "close your eyes", if she does, ill kiss her.

i just wanna see what you guys think of my idea

I suggest you don't do that. Such relationships are precious and you are lucky to have one - but girlfriends come and go. And if she was interested in you that way, you'd know by now from hundreds of clues.

Would you want to be with her 1, 5, 20 years down the lane? Would you give up the "playa" lifestyle for her? You could lose all of this with her just by trying to kiss her and weirding her out - is this potential relationship worth the risk for you?

If yes to all, then yeah, go for it if you are sure.

“The best way to get the person you want is to not be afraid to lose them” ~Neil Straus

i think i should have described more about our friendship.
we talk/text almost every day, just to talk about the day or something funny or whatever..
but since we are both busy with school and work (and we happen to work at the same job but we dont ever get the same shifts + she has another job which she works at more) so we get to see each other maybe once in 2 weeks.
when we do see each other, we go out to the club or some bar..

we are really open to each other, no secrets, no lies.. we both laugh at each other jokes and i think we both seem to like each other.
i got so many ioi's but at the same time, i always think to myself "no, it's just her personality.. not an ioi!"

also she has a lot of guy friends, who probably want the same as me, but i doubt they got as far as me...

im already set in my mind that when we go on that date, i will go for the kill. i just thought to see what you guys think of my idea of how to do it in the most unique way that she hasnt even seen in the movies lol

and even if she rejects me from kissing her, based on what i observed of her personality she will just try to change the subject and move on to keep doing what we were doing before. but ima cross fingers we dont get to that point

It sounds like you have already made up your mind and that you will be good with whatever hapens and thats good.

My advice or thoughts to ponder would be her initial "token resistance". Not that she wouldn't want to escalate things with you but rather it is in her genes to push you away if she is making a conscience decision. The hike and all is good and you might have a little bit of anticipatory anxiety often the same feeling as excitement.

To avoid any type of "token resistance" (the natural resistance a woman gives if she is force to make a conscience decision about escalating) you need to make her feel more like it is destiny and bound to happen.

From my experience this has become an intracit part of my game when I get to the seduction phase. You need to move forward with kino and escalation but then pull away before she has the chance to tell you "NO, we shouldn't be doing this" If you pull away she will chase you a little bit. Not at first but in her mind and genes she will be getting wet, wanting it more than ever. Maybe a little caresing and high levels of Kino, then a pull away. then just play cool as if it's no problem for a bit. not long just enough to disarm her "token resistance" trigger. Then maybe come back with a "but I do like it a lot" whisper in her ear from behind as you aggresivly (not overly, but alpha like) grab her and maybe kiss her neck or something.

It needs to be natural. Like you want to but don't want to. If you hear "NO" from her first then she has taken control of the situation and it will be hard to get it back because you'llnaturally go into chase mode.

If you do hear a "NO" for some reason. Don't worry you just need to be prepared to dis arm the NO as if it doesn't phase you. Than depending on your relationship you can either do a slight freeze out (not suggested) or a casual comliance tease routine. "You're right, as much as I might want to ravish and have my way with you, it would probably be best that I keep my sexual dsires in check" maybe even an "absolutly no sex" I have found those three little word have gotten me more sex than any other phrase. The trick isyou CAN'T EVER try for sex. I have litterally had women beg for it and do strip teases trying to win me over. It has been pretty amazing to watch.

It sound like you aren't looking to escalate things to quite this level but if you call things off and take them away from her she will want them more. It's a bit of an art because your words need to be saying NO while your nonverbals need to show desire but trying to resist. She wil think she's winning you over but truthfully you just were the puppetier

Best of luck my friend.

I learned this at a time in my life when I was truthfully trying not to have random sex because I desired a relationship. Got the relationship but after a while realized the new skill might be fun to share with others.

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really liked reading this! thanks for the advice.

i make fun of her (teasing), she teases me back, we have nicknames for each other and when you talked about the kiss on the neck, i though, maybe not come from behind cuz that may scare her, but more like take her hand, pretend im going to kiss it and bite it instead and run up the mountain as like im running away from her to catch me.. then we probably gonna "fight" and that's when ima make a move.. either that or my first way.

ill keep you updated, our date is on monday so im excited

Best of luck man. You really do seem like in a great place mentally. I don't want to mess with your mojo by giving you advice and making you over think things (bad bad bad), but it MIGHT be worth consdering 60's Hand Caress. I was in a relatively similar situation to you, where I didn't know where the girl was at, kept up my kino, and once she responded to the hand rub I knew it was on.

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"I want to stand as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all the kinds of things you can't see from the center."

"I'm going to give you a definite... maybe."

I've hooked up with a friend before. We are still friends. If you are in the moment and she gives you last minute resistance, just start to pull away and say "Fine you don't want to hook up, we don't have to."

80% of the time they will pull you back. The critical part is the next morning, just reassure her of your intentions. Whether you want to move that into being her boyfriend or just staying friends.

so here is the update.

had the date yesterday, it was really fun with her.. but we didnt end up going hiking cuz she came back from mexico and she was tired but she was still down to do whatever.
so we went for sushi (she texted me twice to call her before), after we ate i wanted to pay but she insisted to throw $5 (it was $10 total) and i was like, not happening, "i took you out, im paying." she goes "i dont want you paying for me, i feel like a jackass", i said "i can afford $5 for you. and stop arguing im gonna win anyways".

after sushi, we went to my building (i got pingpong and pool table), so we played pingpong like 4 games and she loved it, we had lots of laughs and fun.. then played pool and i tried to help her shoot with the ya know, i stand right behind her and hold the stick with her (lol sounds dirty )

after that we went to some ice cream place where she had to do some work on her laptop for like 30min and i just chilled with her, apparently it was really important for her job so whatever. after that we went to catch a movie, i made her sneak in with me cuz i never pay for movies xD so we had a free movie.

then we got food together and this time she throw the money at the cashier and said we paying separate so i couldnt argue there, i just gave her the look of -comon-...

then i drove her home and she got out saying it was really fun and i say, "come give me a kiss" (pointing at my cheek) and she goes "ill give you a hug" and she does..

i drive home and get a text saying she had lots of fun and that im one of her closest friends.

i responded with "i aint got nothin but fun, muah see you soon"

what do you think?
i didnt feel the vibe that i can go for the kill for the whole time, and i did kino quite a bit, i put my arm around her a few times, i tickled her when she made fun of me, so its not like i did something wrong, but more, im deep in the friend zone and can get out in a few years, just like in the movies when they finally realize the like each other

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