Hi I did a direct opener on a HB8-9 earlier, and it didn't go too well. I already know about body language, tonality etc.

Should I have gone indirect? Can anyone please recommend good openers for HB8's and up?

Seems like indirect openers are better for these kinds of chicks??

Those girls are used to get hit on so they put the shield up right as you approach. With shy, innocent, young, or not so hot girls, they might be flattered just by the attention. For those girls who have lots of options, you have to be the prize. Yes, indirect works better.

yeh indirect are much more effective to get under the radar.

however you should into destroying bitch sheilds too. ie:

HB: Why are you asking me?

PUA: (show no negative emotional reaction) Good question. (validate and reward)
You looked like you had a much better idea on this sort of thing, or I was getting that kind of vibe from your [dress sense, taste in shoes blah blah blah] (take the conversation somewhere expected, using various hooks); so what do you think? (give her a hoop to jump through, control the frame).

You'll know her bitch shield is down when she smiles. You could say how glad you are to meet someone more fiery cos everyone else is boring blah blah blah.

Works most of the time when using peacocking and social proof through body language, active disinterest etc.

Oh and the best openers are spontanious delivered with alpha body language and personal to the situation. Dont forget to use time constraint and root.

EG:

Unsure of what haircut to get
Unsure of what tattoo to get
Unsure on piercings
Not sure what sort of dress style is best

Appearance and fashion is mostly what I use, especially for HBs 7+, more often than not they get really into it as it appealls to their interests. Its not an accident theyre that hot. Works really well if you can neg them with a fashion tip directed their way in return at some point.

woah thanks you guys, big help! Thanks Loupe!