OK guys. I'm staring this thread because I have and I assume at some point you have put a girl on a pedistal. I try not to and most of the time I don't but from time to time it happens.

I know all of the game is about bringing a girls beleifs to be the she is at least equal to you no matter what her level of attractivness, social standing etc.

My question lies in the inner game. What if you believe she is out of your league? I know all of the external things you should do to bring her to your level w/ negs, push-pull etc. How do you change your inner game to believe you are good enough? She may have diffent values, morals, and expectations. She might have these paramiters of what she expects from a mate and if your don't fit those these thing you can do to break her walls down work but what can we do to change our beliefs that we are good enough or better than her.

If she's a model, making thousands of dollars a week while going to law school, and you're an overweight, unemployed thirty-something who lives in his mom's basement, then you are not better than her. She is in fact out of your league. All of the rationalization in the world is not going to change that.

It's like going to a car dealership with $20,000, and looking at a $50,000 car. I mean, you can tell yourself whatever you want, but all that really is is just self-delusion. You need to take a good look at where you really stand, and then use what you've got to make a deal. You need to figure out how you can get the $50,000 car for $20,000.

Be honest with yourself, and understand what you're getting yourself into, so you can make better decisions, and work towards an end result that's in your best interests.

Well said and I I agree. But what about the ones that you put on a pedastil that are truly within reach and don't deserve the pedastil standing. We've all don that too.

You're putting girls on a pedestal because you feel inadequate; like you're not good enough for them. This is a confidence and self-esteem issue, and the only way to take care of it is to build up your confidence and self-esteem.

Take a good, hard look at who you are and what you have to offer. Then take a look at all of the douche bags and pieces of shit who get ass left and right. You're better than them. Really. It's not vain and it's not narcissistic: it's the truth. With that in mind, go out and start interacting with people. Go to Tim Hortons and talk to the girls while you're waiting for your iced coffee. Be normal, though: don't talk to them like you're pond scum and they're queens of Sheba. I mean, you're a prime specimen compared to those douche bags and pieces of shit, right? These girls would be lucky to get with you!

I'm not saying you need to become an arrogant douche bag or anything, but you do need to acknowledge the fact that you're better than someone, and that you're certainly good enough for some girl. Once you're comfortable with yourself, you can be comfortable around girls. If you can't come to terms with that, and you don't have the motivation to resist the pedestal bullshit, then you're never going to get past this.

1) Start building confidence and self-esteem. It's easier said than done, but it's the only way you're going to fix this situation.
2) Ditch the pedestal method, as it's guaranteed to screw you over each and every time.

Hansel, I have to agree with you that it is a self-esteem issue. The problem though is that I don't suffer from any form of social anxiety and I don't have issues talking, gaming or even scoring with women. In fact I have been very successful.

I have been with more women then I can even count. I'm not trying to brag but it is true. In fact I'm a bit tired of it. I don't put most women on pedestals. These are the women that I am successful with but they just end up being sex and that's all. If and when I have sex with them the game is done and I end things with them.

I've been in sales for years and bartend part time. I still tend bar because I like it and it's a good avenue to meet women.

My question stemmed from an occurrence I had recently where a HB came in that was extraordinarily beautiful. To the point that it took me out of my game. One night she came in to meet me before the two of us went out and he had noticed me acting strange. I told him that I've put this girl on a pedestal and that for some reason I think she's out of my league.

I'm 33 have been with somewhere between 50-70 women in my time. Two weeks ago with an HB(8) MILF that I was with once and had ended it by saying "We are in two different spots in life I just don't see this working out". This is a pattern of mine. Once I have sex I don't go back for 3rds or 4ths often. A girl really needs to capture me.

The only way I get this feeling of "capturing me" is when I put them on a pedestal. I know it's psychological. I like "the game", "the chase", or something but I really don't want to.

When you bring up inadequacy, I do feel inadequate to the pedestal women. Like I don't make enough money, have a good enough family, but I know I'm good enough to get them for a night. It may be some form of self destruction. Don't ever really try for a relationship because if they really get to know me I might get rejected. Instead, I know I'm good enough to seduce them and keep them happy for a night or two.

A lot of guys I work with say they want to live threw me vicariously. I on the other hand wouldn't mind learning some of the skills it take to develop a real relationship. These "Pedestal" chicks that happen, maybe one a year, keep me excited with hope of something.

Maybe it's my "A" type personality, My salesman personality, or something. I've always been trained to have goals and these pedestals are a least goals. Keeps me looking for something.

Sorry about the long rant, Never really talked about this with anyone. Always have discussed how to achieve the goals.