It's funny u know.. This whole solid game thing I can do.. But that takes me at least 2-3 days to f-close.. And plus u have the HBs full into u, they call u, txt u n so on.
It gets annoying at times. I dunno if u guys would agree on this but that's how I feel.
But when it comes to one night stands, i have trouble..
The reason that made me think about this is, my mate that goes out with me to game, ends up going back to the HBs place in most cases, and let me tell u.. He ain't that good of a pua.
I'm really confused and would really like to know how this works..
Once again I seek advice from the pros

Apparently, you don't want my advice, I'm far from a pro. But first, I would counsel you to have patience. How long have you been at it? When I started, I first got over worrying about the perfect opener, then started getting numbers and kiss closes, later got FCs on day 2s, and eventually started getting SNLs. The whole progression took a few weeks, but I was also out pretty much every night, albeit without any canned material or routines.

Second, I suggest that you become more sexual and more direct about your intentions. Gunwitch's stuff is great, if you can still find it. Otherwise, I hear Vin DiCarlo preaches the same gospel. Being sexual and direct will not only get you to your goal of ONSs, it will also help you manage expectations. If she knows she's only one of many when you take her home, she'll be less inclined to push once the night's over. If she keeps insisting, you either have to ignore her calls (not that hard ), or turn her into a FB.

Haha Keksman thanks man. U seem pretty pro to me!
I've been doing this for a couple of months on and off..
But it recently caught my attention how many people get ONSs..

Sounds fun with no strings attached! Is there anyway u can give me a link on Vin DiCarlos gospel?
Thanks again for ur advice!!

I cannot. I refuse to pay for any of this stuff, and the only thing I ever read was Gunwitch method. But his site has been down since he allegedly shot a woman in the face. The gist of it is that you need to go into the interaction knowing that you will fuck the girl. From there on, you will subconsciously communicate a lot of sexual energy and she will catch on. What's more, you can bring up sexual topics a bunch, to plant the seed in her head and demonstrate that you are comfortable with the subject.

Try looking around for DiCarlo's stuff on this forum and online, I'm sure you can find something. Again, I haven't read it, but I am told it's comparable to Gunwitch. Another piece of advice, start kino immediately and escalate consistently. If she'll let you touch her wherever within a few minutes of meeting, the bedroom isn't that far away...

I have just read the whole thing on gunwitch..
I have to say it is very interesting and will definitely try it out.
BUT.. The things he has written is another method in pickup and it seems very opposite to MM.. And gunwitch seems to disagree with alot of method I use.

Ahhh.. It's hard when I find out different methods.
What to use.. RSD? MM? Gunwitch?? Ahhhhhhhhh!!

Quite simple - you're displaying "boyfriend material" mannerisms a lot (not a bad thing), so she wants to wait to sleep with you to see if you're willing to commit, and so that you won't lose respect for her.

They're sleeping with your friend the first night because he's screening for girls down for a ONS, and they see nothing more than a quick fuck in him anyway, so a loss of respect and trying to get him to commit is pointless.

If you actually WANT quick ONS, then just screen for those qualities - party girl, spontaneous, don't give a shit what others think, and just bring that naughtiness out of her whilst simultaneously showing her you're discreet and will not go round telling everyone about it after.

Me personally, I think you're doing fine. I like to have 2, 3, 4 regular girls I see once or twice a week max, consistently over the period of months. Sometimes I will get one of those and sleep with her on the first date, but usually I don't mind waiting until date 2, or occasionally even 3, to have sex with her. This is because I'm getting plenty of sex anyway, it shows I'm not trying to push her, and we have time to get to know each other and see whether we want to pursue a certain kind of relationship or not.

So, in conclusion - you're not "failing" at anything. In fact, the girl consistently wanting to see you but not wanting to have sex on the first date is actually a massive COMPLIMENT. It means you have enough depth and substance as a person to suggest to most women that they want to see you consistently, not just get a quick fuck out of you and never see you again.

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Alphapua88 what game style do you use? you talk alot about MM but i guess you mix it up with something right??

Well Alphapua88 i can totaly relate... i mean i barely get a ONS but you know as you said the girls i game they are ALL in to me... they reaally text/call/think of me 24/7 but you know what? I lose interest in these... but wait you might say... isn´t it usually the other way round when you game a girl.. she plays hard to get and you think of her? well i guess it is the same.
The big problem is when i loose interest i dont fuck them...i dont know why but if i see a girl like 3 times and she is already all in to mee but we never had sex how would i then want her for sex?

hope anyone could gief me advice on how to manage that disinterest^^

regards ac3

Ryan Oceros thanks for the advice.. Yea I've been getting exactly that but it seems at times when I'm out I just want a quick ONS. But yea I think I understand now why I havnt been getting ONSs. Thanks u!

regardfulllac3 I use mostly just MM. the first thing I ever read was MM and ive been working on it since. I've watched RSD and recently read Gunwitch.

The reason why I said in earlier post about Gunwitch not agreeing with the method I use (MM) and vice versa is because MM talks about 'fools mate' and how to avoid it, while Gunwtich talks about how we shouldn't waste time on phone numbers or wasting money and time on day 2s.

I guess its really up to what I want isn't it?
Thanks again guys for ur advice

Definitively agree with Ryan that boyfriend material is apparent. Try more aggressive, more keno, and more sexual acts to speed things up. But if your getting success, only change like 10% at a time to find out what works right. -same inputs get the same outputs.

1 thing i noticed in my life and my friends, is LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION!

When a girl asks me where I live and I tell them around the corner, their eyes light up and I usually get an That's Awesome - ie its on.

When ever I am at a place with in walking distances, my odds are increased ten times over. I've had parties at my house, brought a girl to my room, f'd and went back to the party and nobody knows. Girls love that secret shit..

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