It sounds like you're leaving a lot up to chance and hoping that there will be a time when its easier to isolate, or to build rapport, or that her friend will back down. What you need to do is show that you are Alpha, by isolating her while her friend is there. This can be done with body language so that you put yourself between her and her friend and then you have her focus and you can propose a game of 1-on-1 and loser buys dinner, or you can tell her friend that you want to borrow her for a minute and then lead her away a bit. You could even make the excuse of saying you want to show her something, but then you might need to have something to point out, like a nice sunset, or a cool tree or just anything that warrants notice.

YOU HAVE TO PUSH FORWARD. DON'T LEAVE IT TO CHANCE.

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Thanks. I know I have to take initiative with this girl cause she is kinda shy. I think that is where my biggest sticking point is.

Ok, but I got this planned out. Before meeting I'm gonna challenge her to a foosball game. Then, after meeting I'll tell her I need to show her something. I'll show her some funny clips on Youtube cause she's into that stuff. Maybe I'll run the Cube game on her. Then I'm gonna say "BTW, I'm ready for that rematch. I'm headin' down to the gym tomorrow after I get off work at 6, you should stop down for a quick game."

Then if she says "I would, but I can't" I don't know what to do about that

If you can't get the basketball game in before the meeting, then that will work. Just remember not to ASK her to play you, or to go out, or anything, never ask, tell.

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Thanks for all your input Rye Lee. I'm definitely gonna tie in the loser buys dinner line after the bball arrangement gets set up.

Anyone have any suggestions for what to do if she is legitimately busy on the day I tell her to meet me there? Can I let her know only Monday and Thurdays are good for me and see what she has to say from there? Or If she can't make the day, do I not follow up on it?

Well, if you seriously can only make mondays and thursdays, then just say, "either monday or thursday" when you go to set the date, that way she has some options, but you're not giving so many options that you're being AFC. If neither of those work for her, then you ask when would be good and then hopefully you can make that, otherwise you ask about next monday or thursday. I don't think this really needs to take a lot of thought and carefull execution at that point.

No prob man, helping others helps myself.

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I had a girl call me 'kin to the devil' once. She was about 21, i was in my early 30's.

The trials and tribulations of living in the bible belt.

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But you are 'kin to the devil' Starbuck, lol.

Yeah, Skawt, you really are starting to overanalyze this. I mean, it's good to be prepared, but if she really wants to meet up with you, she'll FIND a way. Trust me. There are legitimate reasons, sure, but they don't normally take up every available day. At some point, the girl may just have to reprioritize something, in her own mind, without filling you in, to meet you. So, if she stops and thinks for a few minutes, don't back down and say, "oh, well if that doesn't work for you" . . . no no no. Just let her think about it and rework her own schedule.

Well, I went out to the with the target and some of her friends. When I get out there, I realize the target is meeting a guy. I was a little pissed but there was nothing I could do about it at this point. Luckily they didn't hit it off too well.

She came back to our booth after they got done talking (she was trying to avoid him). I explained to her why he didn't want to come sit with us (since he isolated already, he didn't want to come back to a place with guys [I'm not sure if this is a bad thing to talk about but I tried to use it as a DHV]) and how he was just agreeing with everything she said like he had those things in common. So, we get to talking. We really didn't build comfort before this. We find out we have a good amount of things in common. I escalated some kino (checked out her bracelet, pushed her, etc.). She showed some IOI's, but I'm not positive she's attracted. We do have a lot in common, however. I think I need to take a more direct approach at this point. I also realized she acts like a 4 or 5 out of 10 on the HB scale. We definitely aren't in the LJBF zone, but I think I'm playing more games than I need to play.

Any suggestions for what to do in this situation? Right now I feel like I need to DHV a little more and find another way to keep in contact during the week.

Did she qualify herself by us finding things in common? It kinda happened in conversation, but she was definitely interested that I was interested.

1 question: how is it not possible to not notice that that was an IOI?

u have a long way to go man lol

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I think he realizes it was an IOI. I think.

Ok, her qualifying herself. Was she LOOKING for things to qualify herself to you with? Or was it just something that popped up and she agreed, or something like that?

Well, there were 4 of us sitting at a booth, but most of the conversation was between me and the target the whole time. We talked for a solid hour. A couple times, I mentioned how Borat was the greatest movie to come out in the past year. She said it was overrated, but went out of her way to justify why. Also, she got pretty excited when we talked about things that she was really into. I don't know if it because she liked talking about it, or because she was excited that I liked them too.

However, she still threw out a good amount of shit tests (she was comparing me to some actor, and she said, "you guys are just alike, except he's funny." ). I'm not letting them affect me at all, but it seems like shes still unsure.

Sounds like you are giving your target too much attention.

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