Hi,

Have a simple question here : how could I go out of the LJBF zone ?

I met this girl two weeks ago in Chile. I was in a business trip chatting with a friend who gave me the contact of a friend of his staying in that city : a HB8. Since I didn't know anybody there and it was my bday, I offered her to go for a drink.
So I guess, we can call that our first date ! Went very well, discuss a lot, drink a bit, got some IOI's but as it was first date (if even a date) and that she was planning a trip to the city I live, I didn't pull the trigger and left after a good evening.

Then, our friend in common (the one who game me her contact) told me he had a conversation with her and that she definitly was interested.

10 days later (this week-end), as announced, she come to visit my city with a friend 6,5. Everything is going great : they come to stay at my place, we go for some wine tasting (I live in Mendoza - Argentina's biggest wine producer), to swim in a lake in the middle of the Andes ... (I really wanted to do things good)
Then at night, we went to a great club with the the two girls, a friend of mine (that was to attend the 6,5) and a couple. Drink some alcohol, dance a lot .. but as often, I'm too anxious to pull the trigger and go for the kiss while my wingman is doing an acceptable work with the friend (k-close and not so much more)

Then we go back to my place and because we are so wasted and tired we decided (the 2 girls decided really) not to prepare the convertible sofa and to sleep the three of us in my bed (me in the middle) !!! - I'm actually suffering writing this down ... seeing the amount of possibilities I had and how lame I was. So, once again, I can't dare to do anything.

The day after, I've got the painful feeling that I've blown it. Not that I feel she's not interested anymore, but that after my absence of action of the day before (when she was probably waiting for something else), I was quietly entering into the LJBF zone ...
During the day, she told me about former boyfriends, asked my about my sentimental/sex life in Argentina... well, things I didn't want to hear from her !!!

So here I am, apparently into the friend zone. But I hope, I can just get out of here. I just have another (a last) shot. I'll be back at her city next week and have a concert planned with her, her friend 6,5 and other friends of them Saturday.

I really need some advice not to blow it again. I know I did shit cause I had a lot of possibilities and didn't take advantage of it ... but now, I might have a last shot

So my questions are :
- do you guys think as I do, that even with what happened, I still have a shot ?
- How should I do to get out of the LJBF zone and indicate that I want more than her friendship ?
- If you can give me a k-close routine to make me overcome that anxiety that I always have before going for the kiss (even when I know it's won), I would appreciate
- Any other comments will be also appreciated

Thanks a lot for your help, I really need to pull that one (I really like the girls)

Next time you meet her, don't waste time, get to it quickly, but not too quickly. If you become just friendly again, she will see that this is your natural behaviour, and that's LJBF zone.

you're right !! thanks for the advice ...

I edited to put some more details .. tell me what you think

1. I think u still have a shot because there is always an opportunity. But u have to do it right!


2. Well if u want to pick up a "friend" u have to show her that u are still a sexual guy.

First of all u should have BIG fun with her one evening or something and than just freeze her out for a big time(well more than u would freeze a normal hb) afterwards she will notice that she misses u and she will invest. If she does U have to use fast escalation (60 years of challenge: in the book it says u should be even more sexual then else e.g. if she comes to your home start to be sexual right 1-2 minutes when u met her... get kinda naked and shit u know^^) when she has LMR (but we are friends) use something like a bfd-routine but just replace that "bf" with we e.g. if he loves u he would really want u to feal that what we feel-- altough we are friends all we would really both like to feel what we feel and do what ever we want to do...

3.Kiss close routines i used to use are the mystery k-close routine and style evolution theory.... But i doubt the effectiveness because when i started to use 60 game and mixx it up with stuff i´ve noticed that it is better without any routine!

AND finally my personal comments: ARE U CRAZY^^
I mean dude i were lying in your bed with 2 women both hammered and u didn pull the trigger?... i guess that is your main problem u have some kind of fear to escalate? if so.... think instead of that way: what if she doesnt want my c*** in her mouth? that way: SHE REAAAAAALLY LIKES MY c***
if she resist ur toughing just act like nothing happend dont act sad
1.time k-close try 30% winratio
pause:some shit talkin and toughing...
2.time k-close try 70% winratio

i would really recommend u reading 60 years of challenge!

That's exactly it ! I fear to escalate ! But I know it and will work about it. I'll see her saturday and pull the trigger no matter what.
Will give the feedback too !

Thanks for the advice