How important are looks to game? honestly



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Wow, you guys are fantastic thanks so much :D

I dont know why, but even just reading through this advice is enough to boost my confidence somewhat. Thank you all.
Does anyone else get that also? This forum is win.


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Obviously a good looking guy is gonna have it easier than a less attractive guy. It's just common sense. There's nothing you can do about it, just focus on yourself and don't compare yourself to anybody else.
But there is something you can do about it.


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Anyone can improve their look very easily within six weeks. Off the top of my head...

1) Hit the gym and lift weights
2) Eat healthy
3) Take care of your face, skin, hair, grooming, etc.
4) Whiten your teeth
5) Go shopping with a gay friend or a girl and get a "look"
6) Always wear nice shoes
7) Shower and smell good always
8) Get 8 hours of sleep

That's all I can think of right now. It's common sense. The biggest thing is working out. Do it, commit to it, and reap the benefits of it.

I would say a bigger disadvantage to having not very good looks (which can be fixed easily) is being short. You just need to up your swag and have confidence. It's easy. Believe in yourself, you are a man and they are just girls.


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I think working out is more of a mental stimulation. I wouldn't worry about trying to bulk up simply to impress the ladies. I know a ton of guys at my college that are athletic freaks. Some guys do it because they play a sport they love and are engaged in awesome activities. Other guys actually exercise because it gives them a boost with schoolwork. I tried to get on a diet plan to hit the gym when I first started coming to this forum, thinking it would help me get women. I quit about....two weeks in. Last month I started running and lifting weights again because im in school now and I honestly see a HUGE difference mentally. Im more focused and attentive than ever. When I was working out to try and get laid more, nada.

Grooming is obvious. Wash dat stanky ass.

Yes, looks do matter. Yes, height matters. Yes, weight matters. Even though all of these things do matter, women have all kinds of tastes in men. If you grow your hair out down your your ankles, the women that loved your short hair might not be so attracted. Guess what? They're are JUST as many women out there that like that long hair. Change your style? Some women may object and some might welcome the change. It's the perfect Catch 22.

In the end, you can only work on being the best person you can be. If your self-conscious about your teeth, go get braces or get them whitened. If you think you look good with a little facial hair, grow it out. You have to live with yourself, that's your priority. Women's opinions are a dime a dozen. You'll go bald worrying about what every woman thinks. "Be the best you" You're bound to find the right girl then...

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So if I were to go to the gym properly 3 times a week, would I notice a difference within like a month?


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I agree it's easier if you do have that matthew mcconoughy look or his exact face and things would be a lot easier for you but even if you are ugly or not traditionally good looking,.. there is absolutely no reason. No reason at all why you cannot be a pimp.

What you believe they believe. If you believe it matters,.. then it does. If you believe it matters shit, then it will matter shit. They'll be attracted to you and backwards rationalize "hey, it must be his personality or it must be his accent or something completely rubbish"


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I think you should hit the gym and get fit but don't try to become a musclebound weightlifter, it just looks insecure. Get cut and toned. Maybe get really good at a highly athletic martial art-- for 5'6 and slim I'd say thai boxing.


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So how do you think this looks, empirically?

Lets say you, the guy, has a looks rating of 7/10. Does that mean the highest potential of girls you can get is LOWER than the highest potential a 9/10 guy could get?

Or do you think in that regard, it doesn't matter? Could a 3 guy pick up a 10 girl? I'm not saying it'll be equally as easy, but I am asking if you think girls care so much about looks that they have a threshold of looks they expect from men who can successfully pick them up?


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Hey thanks, good way of putting it

So do you think a naturally average looking guy with good hygiene and style already has enough physically to pick up any woman? (Assuming game is good also)


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My problem is that If i see a girl who is goodlooking ill feel like "Im not her type, shed rather be with some buff preppy guy"

Im not like depressed about it, but i feel like physically im not attractive (5'6 and skinny. In proportion to my height, but small nonetheless) and my face is quite boyish/feminine.

Are looks so important?

If my game is good enough, do looks count for zero?

Just answer honestly. I never try to go for goodlooking girls who are dressed up nicely and all that jazz because I doubt my looks.
Looks are either the most important, or second most important thing to a woman (the other being who you're hanging with, with what kind of car you drive following close behind)

However, this is ONLY true before you've opened your mouth.

Once that happens, it goes Social standing, what kind of car you have, with looks relatively far behind.

(What kind of car you have = general wealth)


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what do you mean by "Social standing" in my context?
Because im only a uni student, its hard to be wealthy etc at the present moment...so what would "status" translate to in my case?

Whether or not I look like a leader? How many friends I have/how much respect i get etc? ie, what is considered a high status for someone who is like me?


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If you look at Style when he first started game he was what you would call an unattractive man but like everything, you can change and improve yourself - Looks, dress style, build.


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well i say all the time that 80% of feeling good about yourself is how u dress and your style, hence confidence. if u feel good about yourself and confident its much easier to approach sets and stuff, helps me, hope it does for ya guys .


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That "social status" isn't about being high in society in the general sense. Noone expects you to fistbump the president. But it'd be damn cool if you did. I hope that makes sense. The way Mystery condenses DHVing with social status is: "Be the tribal leader." Have buddies who value you high and are able to show this, and show that you value your buddies high too. This way it shows that you are cool, because you could have lots of friends, and these cool guys are the best. And if you show that you have and had beautiful women in your life and you aren't apologizing for it, it shows that if so beautiful women found you attractive, there must be something there, and boom, you are already the prize in her eyes.

Looks matter, yeah, as other said, the most important is grooming, and being the best of yourself. You can't grow any further, but you can show that you don't care (why would you? You DHV'd that have and had beautiful women in your life already, why would you blame it on your height or feel bad about it?) When your height gets into the conversation, say the comeback "I'm not small, I'm condensed!" or something and laugh it off, as if it wouldn't matter.

On topic of long hair: It's not a matter of black and white "Do chicks dig it?" thing. You have to look good with it, and I mean really good, you may appeal in general, but commonly, it will attract, as said, rocker/metal/indie/etc chicks. As said in Magic Bullets, if you like goth chicks, don't dress like a businessman. If you dress specific, you'll be attractive to specific (that's why it's a common misconception that by dressing non-flashy and average means you can get more women because you don't stand out or rule out women with preferences)

That's what I can help now, based on what I learned from the books (not much game experience yet)


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