Hi ive been trying to learn speedseduction they say thats its the best method out

there , but everytime i use a pattern the girl thinks im wired , i tried it alot of

time , and failed miserably i dunno what to do , anyone who has experince using

this stuff can you please give me some advice on it?

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you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

My advice is to chunk up. You're looking at the details, the language patterns, the techniques. You need to be more focused on the bigger picture. Let's get the thing running before we try and diagnose it.
FORGET ALL LINES/TECHNIQUES FOR THIS LESSON

For the time being, let's just look at the principles behind it:
First of all, you're looking to create different states in the girl. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, we'll stick to "comfortable", "fun" and "intriguing" for now, but feel free to skip "intriguing" for the moment if you want.
With what you already have done your whole life before hearing of the Seduction Community, what kinds of ways would you speak to someone that would make them get a sense of comfort, fun or intrigue? This is your starting point. Go speak this way to somebody now.

Second, Capture and Lead her Imagination. We've already got the most fundamental principle of capturing her attention, now it's time to lead it. With this, you're just looking to transition between comfort, fun and intrigue. This isn't meant to be complicated, and the easiest way to do this is to access those states first. This is how ordinary conversations happen anyway, you're just trying to do it purposefully.

And in the last step for today, we're going to talk about the most basic, covert, and when mastered, one of the most powerful way to hypnotically charge your interactions. This is Priming101!

All I want you to do here, is to use those 2/3 states to guide what you say. If you're trying to achieve "comfort", as well as what you've done before, I want you to talk about something/some time that you were really comfortable, or ask her about something in such a way that she speaks about some time she was comfortable.
When speaking about something "intriguing", speak about something that intrigued you, etc.
And the same goes for "fun"

I'm giving you the smallest bits of information, because by learning in such small chunks, in order of importance, and through experience, you'll learn incredibly fast and much more effectively than you had thought you could. A massive benefit to this kind of learning is that the lack of information, and apparent options as to what to do will allow you to be creative, and not limited by techniques or methods. This is what brings the most learnings and gives you maximum calibration.



EDIT Just read through some of your past posts. With your apparent attitude, you could become VERY good at this very quickly. I can add something more advanced if you're okay with these.

so basically , ill ask them to tell me the state , what is it like to feel really comfortable with somone? and as they are describing it , they will go into it ?

Ill try it and tell u what happens

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you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

The only problem I have with Speed Seduction is the lack of rapport building in the opening. NLP, by and large, works best when you've Absorbed attention and Bypassed the critical factor. I've been studying public speaking and persuasion and sales skills, and when you add these to your repetoire, you can close like Don Juan no matter how you look.

Yeah, I understand what you mean. I'm guessing you use Igor's 3-Stage-Protocol too! Although I'm not so sure about "rapport" in the traditional sense. For the last month or two I've been working almost exclusively on "vibe", as I call it ("energy", "rapport" or "state" may work for you). It sounds a bit esoteric, but I've been making it tangible. I'm not even sure where to begin on this subject though, so give me a bit of time before I try and properly describe it.

In the beginning of the interaction, my vibe is not matched to her. I like to be this powerful masculine energy that sweeps her off her feet (what I'm aiming for, at least). It's not so much about what I say to her, it's about where I'm coming from, on the inside. A girl can tell, by how you've interacted with her so far, and all the tiny little signals, if you're saying or doing anything in a needy way or just in a way that's just what you're normally like. - this is poorly written, and is not a good example, sorry - just up.

My biggest problem with Speed Seduction is that they don't spend enough time reinforcing just how conversational it's meant to be. If I can make a simple connection on something we both share VS running through a "Connection" pattern full of crazy adjectives, with piss poor tonality, I'll take the 1st option any day.

The idea of it being conversational means it should actually sound like how women (and men) speak. I have lots of female friends and none of them speak in patterns like that about anything. Yes, there's a lot of that in romance novels, but that's fantasy. There's a lot of killing in crime novels, that doesn't mean men who read them kill people.

It's still useful though. There's a lesson to be learnt in these romance novels. That this DOES capture and lead SOME womens imagination. Also important, is that it does this when the woman invests into literally being taken out of her reality.

Don't get me wrong, this kind of suggestive language can be achieved covertly, but it takes a lot of time and is unnecessary. I spent about 4 months practicing, and created a model (incomplete) that I had dubbed "Hypnotic Gradient". This was essentially the gradient for transitioning from lighter conversation into full blown deep trance suggestion. What to do to get there, how to do it covertly, and how to do it quickly.
After 4 months I realized it was unnecessary and discarded the model. Anything that you can do in a typical "hypnotic" kind of way, is achievable in a more covert, conversational way.

Some solid advice there.

Your problem is that you're probably memorizing and reciting patterns like if they were magic.

What you need is to learn to capture and lead the woman's imagination and make her access the states you want her to go through.

Check out the sticky thread about where to learn SS. I posted some link to free videos there.

I don't know if you can remember a time when you where really curious about something. Remember when you were a kid? Your parents would give you presents and you would shake the box, try to hear how it sounds and there was this voice in your head "I have to find out what it is". As far as I can see learning is about the ability to open your mind completely to something new, lose all the resistance to trying it out and just let your curiosity be your guide.

See what I just did? I just captured your imagination there.

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"Their compliance is,
'Does she grab your hand?' F*ck you! I want to grab her mind. If I can
grab her mind, she'll be grabbing whatever I want, any way I want her to." - Ross Jeffries

You get rapport by pacing her ongoing situation. It's very quick.

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"Their compliance is,
'Does she grab your hand?' F*ck you! I want to grab her mind. If I can
grab her mind, she'll be grabbing whatever I want, any way I want her to." - Ross Jeffries

I create rapport by using observational opens, since it's always natural, and it can always start a conversation and make her feel like I'm sincerely interested in her as a person, which I am. I then utilize embedded commands, punctuation ambiguity, adverbial clauses, adverb/adjective, and frame control. So basically I compliment something on them, enquire where they got it, use one of Ross's openers, "You know, I do have to say, I always a admire a woman with a sense of fashion," or something of the sort, create a false time constraint, then question, how she comes to those decisions. "Is it something like, you just see something, maybe something you didn't expect to capture your interest and be attracted to Like me, I sometimes might just see something and all of a sudden, you know, how you just want to have it right then?" Let them enlighten me on their decision making process, look for their trance words, feed those words back to them, and enquire where they are about and what they do... this was recommended by David Van Arrick, and it works wonderfully.

Yes, I do use Igor Ledochowski's 3 point Protocol, but I've recently started using a study of body language and personality typing to quickly assess each person but that's cost a lot of money to learn, Kevin Hogan's course was exceptionally excellent and a handful of books are pretty good as well.

I've found Vince Kelvin to be better than Ross Jeffries in teaching.

I normally start the same way. Give them a big compliment and then start talking about what they're wearing. I have a thing for stylish women, so it's all genuine. I love talking about fashion on women. I'll use this to make a lot of assumptions about her. It's fun because you can use assumptions to take the conversation anywhere.
I don't use anything strictly hypnotic, except for what comes out naturally, just from having learnt it. In the beginning I loved the milton model, and all those language patterns but I don't take them too seriously anymore. There's so many ways to achieve the same goal. Sometimes some of them might come out naturally, but I don't even remember half of them.
Is Kevin's course a single DVD or multiple? I've seen the single presentation before. I've always been interested in body language but never really studied it. I practice the Alexander Technique, and just know, from past experiences and watching others what attractive body language is. I've read some of Paul Ekmann's work too and loved it.

I've noticed a lot of distinctions, as I'm sure a lot of people who have studied body language have. Nowadays I rarely kino, and don't make as much eye-contact. I'll also yawn and sometimes touch my face while speaking to girls. None of this is done intentionally but my relaxedness shows through.
Absolutely. The practicality of Vince Kelvin's material is incredible. I remember watching a few DVD's of one of his programs and really enjoyed it. Never applied any of it though.

The body language course, for which you can get 50 dollars off by entering the word SUNNY in the coupon section, is currently 297 which with the fifty off is 247. It's got three dvd's and 8 cd's, you get access to a website to test the knowledge you'll learn in the 8 cds, and you get a few bonuses. It's very very good. I then got a host of books the most unique, The Art of Speed Reading People, and The Definitive Book of Body Language and What Every Body Is Saying.

For me, I'm not usually using body language as a way to tell if the women are interested in me, but more, I look at the way they are dressed, the way they look, the way they cut their hair, and I can usually tell where they're from, what they do for work and the such. I use that basic information, use some cold reading and I know her like a good friend.

Vince Kelvin's material can be a bit brash, but nothing compared to RJ. It's quite astounding. He's not heavy into the patterns, but a few conversational structure. I use patterns on dates and have gone about creating my own. I enjoy them and they work incredibly well to create that erotic tension to really bring a girl to where you want her. One of Kelvin's greatest invention, one great thing that I've put into my game that I'd recommend for others (everything he offers is great, his material is heads over heels better than most), but this thing I especially love. The Text Duel, you talk her into having a text battle, both type a message to see who can text the fastest. That way, she gives you her number in this fun moment you've created, you intentionally lose, giving some sort of pleasantry about her in the writing, then, you tell her, well, we'll have to have a rematch sometime. I'll drop you another text later. End it with a hug or a kiss, though not necessary. In the end, she has this pleasant reminder of you on her phone, anchoring the experience with a few hypnotic notes thrown into the conversation, when you text her again those feelings just flow right back to her.

I've got to tell you. It's one of the top notch additions to my game. The Text Game just knocks it out of the park with crushing flakes. And, because I'm a huge day gamer, it's the perfect environment to do it.