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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:32 pm 
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Enough with the analysis of my behaviour guys, come on. I'm on here trying to make a point and all you guys are trying to do is play therapist. I don't need, nor do I care about your psychoanalysis of my motives/actions/behaviour/etc etc. What I do need however is for every prospective and current "PuA" to understand that while you may be talented in your own right, Natural Game trumps all. I don't care if you've fucked Carmen Electra doggystyle on a balcony overlooking the Champs-Élysées, I don't care if you've taken my mom out for a nice seafood dinner and never called her again, no matter what, Natural Game trumps all.

Now most of you have taken this as insulting/berating/demeaning/etc, but like I said before, this is not meant to do that. This is meant to demonstrate the power that is Natural Game. I'm proud of being who I am, I don't need to hide my insecurities by pumping myself up to be a fucking asshole. I am only here trying to demonstrate that while your material may be the shit, natural game is ten times nastier.

Keep on hating if you want, but if you do you're completely missing my point.

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Ok I'll bite.

Here's my problem with your position. When we say "naturals are always better than POOAHS". How are we defining "naturals"?

Here are a couple of my attempts at defining the word along with the definition I think you might be implying.
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DEFINITION 1: Guys who don't study Pick up but go out to pull:

Hanging with normal guys when on the pull is quite boring, it's sitting around waiting for a girl, then saddling up close to the girl and making some light, friendly conversation. Most guys version of game is sitting around hoping that chance and pleasant conversation will get their dick wet. Doesn't take much to out game those guys.

This can't be what you mean!

Okay, let's try a better definition.

Maybe natural game is "beyond" average...

DEFINTION 2: Guys who have a natural talent for picking up women:

Again, I've gone on the pull alongside people with no interest in PU who were great seducers. They were friendly, confident and socially aware, they knew how to push a girls buttons and take her home. Textbook pulling but nothing special, these guys have a vague idea what they are doing but they are little un-refined at times.

I've outgamed these people. Though I will say that they are genuinly "good" and much more fun to chill with than the guys in Definition 1!

Right! Maybe it's not just a guy who's good with women, maybe a natural is someone who is inexplicably unbeatable by anyone who has ever visited a pick up site.

I've yet to meet anyone like this.... though in saying that I've not been on this planet as long as some.

But I think we have a problem with this defintion of "natural".

In this third case, the only way we can define a natural player is someone who is better than all people who learned to be players.

So ofcourse we can't beat your version of a natural! In your definition being a natural entails the predicate of being "better than all learned people".

But, then we're faced with loads of existential questions of "who are these people?" "What made them that way?" "How many of these people exist and how frequently do they appear in society?" "What seperates them from other guys who have naturally good game.. just not good enough?"

You're concept of natural just isn't making any sense to me, I find it to be too vague and the claims about this kind of "natural" have been made unfalsifiable due to the fact that your definition has been created to fit your argument.

Seems like a twisted no true scotsman fallacy to me...

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I don't need to hide my insecurities by pumping myself up to be a fucking asshole
Well I will take your word for it that your not trying to hide insecurities but in your story you seemed a lot like an asshole and in your posts you are acting like an asshole.


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There is one thing i just don't get from youre post TC.

You are talking like that every PUA uses canned material, but thats just so wrong.
Pua's can be natural to.


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your post made my night! its soo down to earth , but you must admit that all this pua stuff just helps bring out ur full potential but i feel this whole community has become total bull shit all for money you can sit there and play games all you want but if you get carried away you wont learn shit from this community its all about not giving a fuck and being that alpha male the rest falls into place and of course knowing some tricks here and there help why not. im a good looking guy i know, but without this i would have never gotten out of my shy shell now im just all over the place fuckinnn bitches 24/7. yet i feel insulted because this community has helped me alot. bud dont hate on all of us its a battle field between the grenades, land mines, and tanks and other guys at bars, clubs or where ever you go. dont hate the player, hate the game!


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Hi,

First, I am not a PuA. I have never aspired to be a PuA and I hope to God (Or any extra-terrestrial being for that matter) that I will never sink so low that I will resort to becoming a PuA. This post is not meant to insult, berate or belittle anybody on this forum (though it undoubtedly will) because personally, I need every single one of you: PuA's, AFC's, whatever you want to call yourself, I need you. The reason is simple; without all of you, I would not be able to run my game. I would not be able to go to a bar with a group of friends, and leave the bar with a good looking female on my arm/shoulder/dick/whatever.

Most of you are probably sitting behind your computer screen seething and thinking: "What?! That makes no sense!" Well, sorry pal, but this makes perfect sense. The reason that this makes sense is because while all of you are attempting to become the next big thing in the PuA world (you're all doing so great too I bet!), I am benefiting from losers like yourself approaching women.

Let me give you an example: Last weekend I was at a relatively packed bar in downtown Toronto with some buddies. I ordered myself a few double vodka waters and looked around to see what sort of females were in the joint. There were a lot of swamp donkies, a fair amount of average looking females, a handful of decent to good looking women, and one perfect 10. This girl was a rocket; perfect tits, perfect ass, perfect legs and hair, everything. I stood at the bar and crushed a few beers and then turned around to make my move. However right when I was about to approach this fine specimen, some tool wearing a cowboy hat, bangles and rings, and a stupid smile on his face approached her and her friends. I watched the scene unravel pretty quickly and since I'm relatively informed about the PuA scene I was able to understand what was happening. This guy stood there, doing his thing for these women (and more specifically the perfect 10) and eventually was able to isolate the target.

Now I usually don't try to intentionally bust up another dudes game but in this circumstance, I wanted that girl and I get what I want. So I finished my drink and bee-lined to the area where these two were talking. I stood to the side for a minute and watched as this tool-bag tried to capture his audience with funny jokes, little tricks and a fair amount of contact (you can call it kino, but personally, I stopped using codes for words when I was 11). Eventually I had enough and thrust myself into the scene; it was my time to show this idiot what real game was.

Me: Hey champ, I thought the Criss Angel fan club wasn't allowed out past 11:30.
Girl: *Laughter*
Tool: *Attempt to be clever and witty by insulting me back with almost the same line.* (Clever move!)

Now if you have read this far you have probably guess what type of person I am: I am a Natural Alpha Male. I am not a nerd who has studied how to become an alpha male. I am not a random guy who decided enough was enough and attempted to better himself. No. I am the epitome of Alpha Male so when this weird dressed little man tried to insult me, I could not hold myself back.

Me (to girl): Listen sweetheart, I don't think you want to be around for this.
Girl: *Looks at me with disgust, back to Tool and waits for his reassurance.*
Tool (standing with a smug look on his face, looking directly at me): Go to the bar, I'll be there in a sec.

Now see what I did here? I called the shots. I made the moves. I made this tool agree with what I was saying while proving to this girl who the real man was. I wasn't running game. I wasn't using "canned lines" or techniques I had read in a book. No. I was being an animalistic, territorial man. This is something that is natural, not learned. Some people have it, most do not.

As the girl went to the bar I tore this kid to shreds. Insulting his outfit (to all you peacock theorists out there. You look like a bunch of fuck faces. Thank you for making me look better), insulting his terrible attempt to pick the girl up and even insulting his choice of drink...some sort of gay martini. While I was doing this however I was certain that the 10 was looking or at least glancing in this direction so I made sure to stand taller than this kid, to look more dominant than this kid, and to show to her (and to the rest of the people watching) that natural ability completely kicks the shit out of your trained game. This was personal now for me.

After about 5 minutes the kid had enough and tried to slide back to the girl at the bar. While he did this I went and took a piss, bought another double vodka water and then shot the shit with my buddy. While I was talking to my buddy, who do you think walks up to me and taps me on the shoulder? The tool? No. It was the 10.

The rest of the story is simple; I acted like myself to the broad, I was cocky, I was confident, I was assertive and outgoing and I ended up taking her home and fucking the daylight out of her. Then I woke up, fucked her again and took her digits.

So, the moral of the story? Well the moral is this; no matter how good you think you are, no matter how many women you have "sarged" or picked up, no matter what girls you have fucked (models, pornstars, senators, first ladies), someone with Natural Game and natural talent will always win. You think guys like Mystery and Gambler were never outgamed? They were. And it was by guys like me.

I win. You lose. Natural Game is more impressive and more successful than your learned game. You can argue me all you like, but eventually, you will all learn.

You can better yourself, and I'm proud of you guys for that. You can become the dude you have always wanted to be, but in the real world, the strong survive, the weak get eaten. I hope to see some of you in the near future.

Gray
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and for the record.. its the person not the means.. I'm sure there's plenty dudes who would have chewed you up and then you'd be coming on here with your tail between your legs asking for advice.


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Keep on hating if you want, but if you do you're completely missing my point.

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No I think we get your point... Its just an awful one. I joined this forum to figure out how to connect with women, not insult guys. If this story is true (i don't really care either way), than you're definitely not a natural, you're just a sociopath. Also- how did you "call the shots" you just insulted the guy and didn't make any moves. I don't really care what happened, that's not the definition of the alpha male that is discussed here... Nevertheless you sound pretty insecure, and would hate to be you.

I joined this forum because I thought there were people here that could help build constructive behavior, but every time I see a post like this, I feel like the forum loses credibility.


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man this guy makes me smile......he should do stand up, cause that post was a joke right.......honestly the guy met someone who is clearly just starting out and he gets his jollies by beating someone like that......seriously its like being a pro-boxer beating a guy in his first fight......not something to brag about mate



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lol at all of you reading this long-ass post and commenting on it.

This is PU-Love it or hate it, it has advantages and disadvantages. Its imperfect, IMO because it consists of people, and is about people. As we all know people are imperfect.

So what do you expect of something that consists of imperfect and is about imperfect? Being imperfect.

@Madal's reply-LMAO!


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You saw a chick, then drank "few beers" and only then aproached? Why such a long time? Add double vodkas you had at the beginning and you were pretty drunk. Are you that "cool" only when drunk?
by the way you did not sound alpha, you sounded more like a douchebag.


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Hi,

First, I am not a PuA. I have never aspired to be a PuA and I hope to God (Or any extra-terrestrial being for that matter) that I will never sink so low that I will resort to becoming a PuA. This post is not meant to insult, berate or belittle anybody on this forum (though it undoubtedly will) because personally, I need every single one of you: PuA's, AFC's, whatever you want to call yourself, I need you. The reason is simple; without all of you, I would not be able to run my game. I would not be able to go to a bar with a group of friends, and leave the bar with a good looking female on my arm/shoulder/dick/whatever.

Most of you are probably sitting behind your computer screen seething and thinking: "What?! That makes no sense!" Well, sorry pal, but this makes perfect sense. The reason that this makes sense is because while all of you are attempting to become the next big thing in the PuA world (you're all doing so great too I bet!), I am benefiting from losers like yourself approaching women.

Let me give you an example: Last weekend I was at a relatively packed bar in downtown Toronto with some buddies. I ordered myself a few double vodka waters and looked around to see what sort of females were in the joint. There were a lot of swamp donkies, a fair amount of average looking females, a handful of decent to good looking women, and one perfect 10. This girl was a rocket; perfect tits, perfect ass, perfect legs and hair, everything. I stood at the bar and crushed a few beers and then turned around to make my move. However right when I was about to approach this fine specimen, some tool wearing a cowboy hat, bangles and rings, and a stupid smile on his face approached her and her friends. I watched the scene unravel pretty quickly and since I'm relatively informed about the PuA scene I was able to understand what was happening. This guy stood there, doing his thing for these women (and more specifically the perfect 10) and eventually was able to isolate the target.

Now I usually don't try to intentionally bust up another dudes game but in this circumstance, I wanted that girl and I get what I want. So I finished my drink and bee-lined to the area where these two were talking. I stood to the side for a minute and watched as this tool-bag tried to capture his audience with funny jokes, little tricks and a fair amount of contact (you can call it kino, but personally, I stopped using codes for words when I was 11). Eventually I had enough and thrust myself into the scene; it was my time to show this idiot what real game was.

Me: Hey champ, I thought the Criss Angel fan club wasn't allowed out past 11:30.
Girl: *Laughter*
Tool: *Attempt to be clever and witty by insulting me back with almost the same line.* (Clever move!)

Now if you have read this far you have probably guess what type of person I am: I am a Natural Alpha Male. I am not a nerd who has studied how to become an alpha male. I am not a random guy who decided enough was enough and attempted to better himself. No. I am the epitome of Alpha Male so when this weird dressed little man tried to insult me, I could not hold myself back.

Me (to girl): Listen sweetheart, I don't think you want to be around for this.
Girl: *Looks at me with disgust, back to Tool and waits for his reassurance.*
Tool (standing with a smug look on his face, looking directly at me): Go to the bar, I'll be there in a sec.

Now see what I did here? I called the shots. I made the moves. I made this tool agree with what I was saying while proving to this girl who the real man was. I wasn't running game. I wasn't using "canned lines" or techniques I had read in a book. No. I was being an animalistic, territorial man. This is something that is natural, not learned. Some people have it, most do not.

As the girl went to the bar I tore this kid to shreds. Insulting his outfit (to all you peacock theorists out there. You look like a bunch of fuck faces. Thank you for making me look better), insulting his terrible attempt to pick the girl up and even insulting his choice of drink...some sort of gay martini. While I was doing this however I was certain that the 10 was looking or at least glancing in this direction so I made sure to stand taller than this kid, to look more dominant than this kid, and to show to her (and to the rest of the people watching) that natural ability completely kicks the shit out of your trained game. This was personal now for me.

After about 5 minutes the kid had enough and tried to slide back to the girl at the bar. While he did this I went and took a piss, bought another double vodka water and then shot the shit with my buddy. While I was talking to my buddy, who do you think walks up to me and taps me on the shoulder? The tool? No. It was the 10.

The rest of the story is simple; I acted like myself to the broad, I was cocky, I was confident, I was assertive and outgoing and I ended up taking her home and fucking the daylight out of her. Then I woke up, fucked her again and took her digits.

So, the moral of the story? Well the moral is this; no matter how good you think you are, no matter how many women you have "sarged" or picked up, no matter what girls you have fucked (models, pornstars, senators, first ladies), someone with Natural Game and natural talent will always win. You think guys like Mystery and Gambler were never outgamed? They were. And it was by guys like me.

I win. You lose. Natural Game is more impressive and more successful than your learned game. You can argue me all you like, but eventually, you will all learn.

You can better yourself, and I'm proud of you guys for that. You can become the dude you have always wanted to be, but in the real world, the strong survive, the weak get eaten. I hope to see some of you in the near future.

Gray
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Very cool and entertaining post by the way. You are terribly wrong though....

So people are not supposed to improve themselves? How about dream about a better future?

It sounds like you are saying that everyone might as well face what they currently have and wallow in it. That's basically against everything that is human imagination.

Go tell all the veterans who are crippled from fighting for your sorry ass overseas: "might as well kill yourself because now you are a loser with no legs, and nothing to live for".

People also have really really big problems like being abused as children. Tell them that they will never succeed at healing that pain.

The power of the mind is the strongest force in the universe. And its the only thing that you have almost complete control over.

Why else do you think the mind has such an effect on women?

And what use of the mind are women most evolutionarily attracted to?

Our ability to make the best of a situation an adapt to it quickly. And NOT depending on pre-existing circumstances alone (such as being born with good looks) to get us by. Women instinctively know that life is unpredictable. Its our ability to change ourselves and our behaviours that turns them on.

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There's a difference between being an alpha male and a cunt.

You know what the great thing about not giving a fuck is?

now, off you fuck!


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lol

natural game is 10x better? well, so I'd like to know some naturals like these.

the most natural of my friends are the ones who go to a party and many times get out of there (and they are very lucky) with a 9 for a one night stand. But they hope that can happen.. it's not even game.
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THANKS... But sorry my friend you took the time to join a PUA forum and write this long post to inspire us to change into something we can't become.

Naturals don't have to learn this kind of stuff because they are successful with women in the other hand this forum is full of guys that WANT to improve with women because they don't have the natural skills and confidence naturals have.

FYI, there are many types of "Methods" and not all of them consist on telling jokes and canned routines. There are many methods that teach the things naturals gain by experience. So please the next time, learn about our community and what we teach.

As a side note a few points:

* Not all PUAs dress like Mystery or use hats.
* You didn't acted like a natural, you acted as an alpha male with the smoothness of a "Caveman" that sometimes also works.

And again a special thanks for writing this excellent LAY REPORT you are on the way of becoming the next Bad Boy you just have to start writing a little bit more about Social Dynamics, how your "Macho" style works and find a way to teach all of this to the "poor guys"
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Well you sunk so low to join a PUA forum... you wrote a Field Report and you use acronomys... Watch out you are almost a PUA now. I see you as a rAFC, way to go! Keep it up, please continue sharing with us your insights about the community and your LRs.

Maybe you should start video taping yourself while picking up women to prove that you could "outgame Gambler and Mystery", you could win a lot of money.

End every video with your quote:
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