This should be sticky! I studied all the stuff you wrote and do the exercise too, and today I tested it on the field ang guess what? In about 5min with a girl alone she was telling me about a problem with her ex, even crying as she told the story...now I must only learn how to benefit from it. I don't want to be only a friend I think that i'm a natural

really like the new stuff on this thread! The guy above is right, this should be stickied.
This word association thing is great practise. Such a good tool!

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theres still more to come, I've a few more routines that can be used, just haven't a chance to fully test them, even thou I have used them before, but I've used them with frames, I need to work them so that anybody can use them.

I look forward to read from you

Quick Tip

When talking don't forget to mention things about your life, I call this technique name dropping, but really you should drop into the conversation people you know, things you do, places you've been and possibly some stories that happened there.

You don't have to go crazy and constantly do it, just do it when it fits the subject, if it relates to the subject add it in.

E.g. This is from an example El Topo posted on his site about the red stack (this is not anything I would use infield but the general formula is there and will be highlighted for clarity

1.

Hey guys, I have got to ask you, my friend Michelle and I were here the other night and there were these two making out in the middle of the walk way… No seriously listen, What is she always like this? No but really they were like in the middle of the walkway. I like totally don’t get how people think that is like ok. You know like when I was dating my ex-girlfriend, she is a dancer, we would, like to be together at places, and sometimes but we had a booth or something. Like seriously next time I see that I am going to go up to the guy and girl and give them a condom or something.

2.
So how do you guys all know each other?... That’s cool, cause I am from Hawaii and I am not used to how people socialize here. I mean I have been here for years, but…

3.

So what do you do when you’re not hanging out at (name venue)?

Answer doesn’t matter,

Wow, really. That’s actually really cool, my friend Ishtar does (name their answer) and hes... (short discription of your friend and something interesting about him, like if he lives in a big city or whatever...) Like I am a Photographer...


I add in friends, Girls I've met, Family, countries I've been to, People I met there etc

Dude read Kezia NOBLES 9 HOOK LEAD SYSTEM

IT tells you, HOW NOT TO RUN A CONVERSATION.

IT TElls you about all the types each of question and hwo to answer it

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I can't find any information on this '9 point hook system' other than a short youtube video that doesn't really explain anything. It would be useful if someone added a short summary of it to this thread.

Its called the 10 point hook lead system and personally I thought it was a total waste of my time, it was nearly as bad as vin dicarlos conversation cure

Ok lets talk about how to make routines from your life, first I gotta say that when people start talking about being natural and not using routines, it's kind of a little white lie.

Even if the words arn't the same alot of the formulas and methods are the same, so basicly they are routines no matter what way you look at it.

Reason I'm saying this is because if you do 5 sets in one night 3 times a week every week for a year, think how hard it would be to create fresh shit on the fly every single set, thats alot of work and if anyone can do this then they are a genious!

Guys like AFC Adam talk about not using routines but thats not exactly true, he does use routines, his whole meta game system is a huge routine, conversation topics he uses such as talking about people then escalating into talking about relationship dynamics then moving the conversation towards sex are routines, granted they will be different everytime because the person responding will say different things but the general conversation and how he goes about bringing the conversation up will be the same.

So don't get too caught up in the whole routines vs non routines game because to be honest its bullshit and it holds people back because I can tell you now all naturals use routines!

So take a "boring" conversation starter, something considered retarded by the community, imagine you are at a bar and you see a few girls at the bar drinking cocktails, so I say to any doesn't matter but for games sake the Fat Friend or the Mother Hen

this is whats called a Low Investment Opener, I first heard about these from Captain Jacks Blog, its basicly a tiny opinion opener style type thing as far as I can see, more or less a question that doesn't need much energy to answer back

"Whats that you're drinking?"

So they'll probably respond and tell you, but if you get any type of in go for it, they would have to be pretty cold to completely blank you.

So now I'm going to tell a little story about something from my life.

"Cocktails are the shit! when I was in Spain me and my friends used to go out early and start hammering long Island Ice teas, we had a whole circuit planned out"

So if shes anyway interested she'll probably ask you a question such as "why were you in spain" or "where were you at in spain?"

(When using whats above as in the other information in the other conversation posts you should be able to start holding conversation for a long time, but remember you want to be gaming aswell)

So we'd end up talking a little more about that, just normal conversation but this is where things relate to game tactics, I'm going to show you have to add in sexual frames, so we'll use the frame "I am discreet"

So she asks me for example where did I stay? this is how I would add the frame in

"I was living in ... its a strip with loads of bars and its full of tourists in the summer, but we got to know most of the locals because my friends family lives there, it was crazy because everyone knew everyones business so even if we were hanging out with girls we'd met and it was just friendly you'd have someone talking about it and teasing you the next time they seen you, so now I just keep my mouth shut, I never tell anybody nothing anymore"

Eventually you'll run into stories that work great and this is when it'll become a routine.

If anyone needs this sort of stuff explained further pm me