Hi

I have noticed there has been an upsurge in products designed to make a woman actually fall in love with you. (Broadly defined there has been suddenly a lot new products designed to foster limerence in the girl you are talking to).

(I can’t give any links because I haven’t posted enough but just type in “limerence” in wikipedia if interested in that subject of psychology of oneitis basically)

Some notable examples are:

-Adam Lyons "MFH (make fate happen) Game"

-Jon Sinn and Future Thompson "Breakthrough Comfort"

-Mehow's One(der) system

-I think Vin Dicarlo has something like 7 ways to get her addicted to you or something like that

Most of these have been released in the past 1-2 years. From what I can find out about each of these products, they seem to have many common denominators, particularly related to the following:

1) Fate and destiny has brought you together and you are meant to be together

2) Providing extremely deep compliments to her identity with playful teasing mixed in

Its rather intriguing how similar everyone’s system is. They all (or most) seem to emphasize the importance of these elements so much.

Here are some articles and such on the subject matter for sake of reference. I can’t post any links but i will say what u can google.

google: sinns of attraction advanced comfort.

and Mehow's article:

mytheoneder DOT com(insert slash)fanaticalgirl DOT php

(Adam has a video on youtube coming out on this topic in the near future. He just finished marketing his “make fate happen” product for valentine's day and he will upload his video as soon as he gets good internet he said in the comments)

As one will notice two facts about this:

First, there is not nearly as much publicly available information on this subject as there is for typical stage model courtship (aka A1, A2, A3 etc.) which one could learn (without stealing!) without buying anything at all. However, those articles I showed you above are almost as good as it gets as far as free stuff for this subject (other than Sinn's breakthrough comfort call that someone recorded). In addition, the products themselves are very expensive and come and go based on promotionals.

Second, such products, though very lauded by the people making them, seem very peripheral and not heavily marketed towards the main audience. People on forums don't seem to care much either. Jon Sinn noted in his breakthrough comfort call that most pua products are marketed towards making people players, when in fact that is not what most people want or even can sustain as far as a lifestyle is concerned.

IRONICALLY, I just got rejected by a girl I was in love with, who I used typical phase model pick up and she qualified really really high and tried really hard but she “couldn’t see herself marrying me” so my lack of knowledge in this area of “fate” has destroyed me when everything else at least SEEMED great and the IOIs seemed good. But i digress.

This is MUCH more along the lines of the type of courtship I would like to implement. I don't mind moving through stages, but running around college making girls seek my approval is just awkward even if it sorta works, and as I learned the hard way, qualification definitely doesn’t have as strong of an emotional effect on the girl that everyone says it does, even when they qualify almost as high as it can go...

So my question is this. Is any one aware of more public knowledge material related to these types of systems and who else teaches this type of thing? There are no common search terms so its very hard to find any instructors for it, and when I discover someone else teaching it, it is ironically, an accident of fate that brings me to it. The internet is devoid of detailed information on this subject and forums seem rather disinterested

This kind of game seems extremely useful for my purposes in life (if it actually works at all!). As for me, I am a Christian and I want to get married before I go to grad school, even though I am only 21. PUA has provided me the best avenue to for meeting and attracting women, because I was previously unable to do so without any sort of effectiveness at all. Now at least some girls think im cool for a few days (I say that with great facetiousness). PUA has lightly improved the situation. Even though I disagree with some of the values behind what it advocates, I find the topic very fascinating and useful to my own life.

Any thoughts or information would be greatly appreciated.

I'm afraid I'm a skeptic. I have never, and will never spend money on any products like these. There is no formula to make someone fall in love with you, because everyone is different. You're 21, which is young (I'm 30) - You should use the aspects of PU which help you meet lots of girls and get to know them. You'll learn a lot in a short space of time about what you are looking for in a girl, and sooner or later you will meet girls who tick the boxes and where there is mutual attraction and you'll fall in love with each other (hopefully). I also think its a bad idea to put a time-frame on getting married. You can't choose when you will meet your wife. And if you rush it, you might make a big mistake. You'll change as a person over the next 10 years, more than you think. Trust me on that. And what you are looking for in a partner could change too. Good luck.
Hobo

To be honest, there's no real method of getting a girl to fall in love with you. You should be looking at yourself and saying "would I love me if I was a girl". What is it you want out of life? You have to be doing what you wanna do and then you may find a girl heading in the same direction as you. It's not your duty to create a girl like that, it's your duty to find a girl like that.
Stop worrying about techniques and start being the kind of guy you want to be, and other people want to be around. I really don't know any shortcuts.

If anybody wants, I could post up the notes from Future's Breakthrough Comfort seminar. This was never released as a product so I don't think it's illegal. As long as it's cool with the mods I'm game.

For the most part, people don't change, they just see what they want to see. It works short term but eventually it's unhealthy. The game helps girls see the confident side of you, but eventually, you are who you are. I agree with Hobo. Meeting a lot of girls helps sculpt out the image of the type of girl you want to be with. Nothing I've read on PUA is geared toward using game to create love, but attraction.

I was head over heels for the first girl I dated but after she ended it, I met several girls with different personalities which helped me figure out what I wanted. Now I'm dating a girl who is all that. Epic win. Why rush to get married anyway?

Thank you very much for all of your feedback! I appreciate it. Yes indeed love is a dangerous thing to mess around with and there are many personal variances in how it can come about. I appreciate the advice of those more experienced than me to be careful and to not rush finding the right one.

It's unfortunate that I am so rushed, but I am going to a grad school that has mainly men and according to my religion the only permissible way I can have sex is to be married. I have for the past seven years or more, gotten severe crushes on girls one after another. I just finally want to care about someone who is special to me forever. I am sure you all identify with this. However, this is all the more the reason I should be careful to choose.

Pinnochio, if it is ok with the mods and if you believe you are allowed, I would really appreciate it if you could post the notes to Future's breakthrough comfort seminar. That would be awesome. Also, if anyone would like, I have notes from Jon Sinn's breakthrough comfort call (about 45 minutes) and notes from Mehow's "tru qualification" call which seems to address ideas not identical to but along the lines of the "golden mirror" and relate to a person's fundamental emotional needs. These are in google docs and i can easily link them if so desired. I am not allowed to post links because I haven't made 5 posts but maybe there is a way around this? I will try and post elsewhere so I can.

What religion do you follow, if that's not overstepping? i fear that pua stuff is not suited for this due to the sexually seductive nature of the art. i could be wrong tho

I am a Christian and I agree with you some of the pua stuff might not be exactly what I want as far as my goals, but the reason I got involved with it, was because I wanted to learn from the people who seemed to have the most success attracting women, because I had none and wanted to learn from the people who knew exactly what was going on purely from an "in field" or experimental point of view.

It seems that a lot of pua is good for at least the initial meeting of women. I am in personal experience starting to realize its limitations however. Basically I use it and its principles and walk through the phases roughly speaking when i meet a girl, I just go as far as I can and (except not do the sex part). I am looking for a girlfriend so I am not sure this is the best way to meet people either. That is why I am particularly interested in products that foster a long term connection, because most of my "successes" in practicing pua is very short lived and dies shortly after comfort phase or attract phase when they actually know the real me.

imo you are thinking about this way to much. Marrying someone is very serious and a lifelong endeavor. you sound like a young man battling your hormones, be aware of the fact that you are a 21 year old male and horny as hell. always keep that in mind.

like some of the other guys said here, just use pu to surround yourself with woman. you will start to realize qualities that you do and dont like. use this to model the perfect women for yourself then go catch her.

dont rush this process, you will KNOW when you meet the right one.

until then keep in mind that your body doesn't give a dam about your religions or beliefs and because of this you will most likely be anxious(vunerable) to find someone.

one last thing, be sure to be vocal to your potentials mates about your goal here(they love a vocal man on a mission). use your goals, your discipline and selectiveness to prove that your not just another guy trying to get laid.