Okay, so I've read poeticlyskuac's body language / inner game postings and put them to my advantage.

A little background first. Got outta 3yr LTR a month ago and was thrilled when I found this info. I did reading and noticed so many IOIs at my college campus that I told myself I would sarge today no matter what!

So my first opportunity was before a class. I sat down in an empty row. A cute girl sat next to me. She opened me about coursework and I started to converse about this Amazon Ebook she had. It was erotic literature! I was so worried about making a move in that class full of people though. Incidentally, the whole class she was preening (excessively I might add), and i noticed both girls next to me (the other one was two chairs to the right) had their legs crossed such that their calves were exposed to me. The chick on my right kept giving me looks. Still, no balls of steel. Gosh darnit.

So I leave that class and head to my final one. The day will be a complete failure if I do not make a decent attempt. So I sit down and strike up a conversation with my buddy behind me. This hot chick walks by and I say "where have you been all my life?" I didn't think she heard (just joking with my friend) but she did and gave me a smile as she walked to her seat. Incidentally, the hot babe sitting next to me also heard it and got a kick out of it--perhaps this showed me as a confident guy, though I wasn't sarging her at the time.

So towards the end of lecture, there's a wine tasting. Perfect time for an opener [talk about the wine], and a joke or two about the French & their wine [I have nothing against the French, I just used you for sarging!]. We chat a little bit more, and....

When it's time to get going, I notice that she's really slow packing up her stuff...thanks to poeticlyskuac, it's a sure sign that she wants me to walk her out. So I catch up to her and say "So watchya do around here for fun?"

Okay I know it was totally canned, but my mind went blank and I couldn't just stand there without saying anything!

She definitely knew at that point that I was trying to pick her up! It had to have been my confidence (again thank you poeticlyskuac) when I said the line. It was so nonchalant. Regardless, I'm pretty sure she's shy because she blushed a bit, then she let out a giggle.

So she ends up talking for a few minutes (awesome for me, didn't have to worry about coming up with stuff) and we find out a bit about each other (live in same city, both grew up here, etc etc). At this point we were walking REALLY slowly, and her torso was really facing me. I shoulda KINOd, but oh well.

So when we reached the point where we'd go separate ways, I told her that I had a crazy busy week, but that I'd like to chill with her over the weekend. I then asked "what's your #?"

Sooo awesome, it looked like she was relieved that I asked her. Cool beans.

It's not over yet guys...

So I get to the parking garage and try a tactic I saw on the forum. I called her, but she didn't pick up. I left her a quick message just letting her have my #. Less than 30 seconds later She calls back. I say what's up? She gave some normal response (forgot guys, I was anticipating my next line, my heart was in my THROAT at this point!).

Then I came out with it-- "So I gotta tell you about this awesome chick I just met in my wine class.......who's a Fl native just like me, etc etc.." And here comes the cool part--

"and I'm pretty sure she likes Pixar movies, too, with that backpack of hers."

Okay..... she made NO mention of Disney, but her backpack was WALLe motion picture backpack. I noticed something! That's like natural game right there! I really felt exhiliarated.

The best part is that she was totally into it. And.... Dah dah dah----I told her that I never saw Walle, though I loved other Pixar films (which I do).

She said "you really missed out," So I said "we'll watch it together," once again in a CONFIDENT tone. She sounded really into the idea.

I then said goodnight & told her I'd call her over the weekend.


So.... How'd I do guys? I think that this is awesome for a # close. It only took 10 minutes, but we did build an emotional connection in that short time [her comfort level definitely increased]. I don't think she'll bail this weekend.

With this being said, I'm thinking about taking her bowling & then downtown.

They both offer fun times, plenty to see, plenty to talk about---no awkward silences. Downtown has all sorts of shops, and most importantly, CASUAL dining (like walk-up ice cream & hot dogs & shit). It's the perfect place to get to know her.

With this being said, I think she's shy, though I'm convinced she's into me. Any words of wisdom? BTW, I chose downtown because my condo is downtown .

So thanks to all of your words of wisdom, but especially to poeticlyskuac. Your words worked wonders man, I've had many epiphanies this week, and you helped me get my first # close as a GPUA. Thanks all!

REGARDS,
5123M

Sounds fine so far. Be sure to post a followup.

I have to say that you are overthinking the IOIs. I laughed at the comment on the women's calves. Seriously, their legs have to face a direction.

One thing pscyh studies have shown is that men have a poor ability to tell when a woman is really showing interest. Men take the slightest nod as "we're having a moment". Where the woman is thinking, "I want to be nice and not hurt his feelings."

Women play with their hair out of habit. However, body positioning is less accidental. If she sits close or is turned excessively in your direction then it's a good sign.

My advice is that you chill just a bit and let the encounters flow.

*Hey do you know your forum name and sig don't match? 5213 vs 5123

Hey DeepCover thanks for your advice. I got a quite a kick out of your post, and I agree with the IOIs. I should look for clusters, most definitely. It's still a confidence boost though. I'll learn with more practice.

The girl was a flake. I gave her a call the other afternoon and left her a message. "Hey it's N5213M, give me a call and let me know your schedule. Sunday's good for me. Talk to you later." No call back.

So, DeepCover, you've got to be right about me mistaking other signals for IOIs, but this girl was definitely into me the other night. Not sure why the flake.

On a brighter note, I've been improving my inner game tremendously! I've been practicing being the alpha male in every situation, and so far it's been working great. I can't believe how easy it is. Simple things like talking to strangers, etc. Seems like it's becoming very natural.

I'll continue sarging and let you all know the results. For now, I'm going to make an effort to concentrate more on body language. That's my goal for the next week. Thanks, Deepcover.

Regards,
N5213M

That is the N-number of the plane I soloed in.

Interestingly enough, when I walk into class she apologized and told me she lost her phone that same day I called her. I told her I should have called sooner and I took it from there. She asked for my # then, but told me she wouldn't be getting a phone till next week. (Problem solved end of post, you'll see).

I said something along the lines "it's a good thing I didn't have another date [this weekend]," and she was like "I'm glad I get a second date." (something along those lines, but I forget exact wording). Seems like nothing now, but I'll refer to this later.

Of course, we were the last 2 in the class after the wine tasting.

Awesomess starts now... It was pouring when we came outta class, & I didn't have an umbrella. Perfect timing thunderstorm! I even remarked it to her and she agreed.

She wasn't shy AT ALL this time, telling me lots of intimate & personal stuff. I feel like I should have opened up to her more. I did a bit, but I'm still an introvert and am used to keeping personal shit to myself. I did share some things, but nothing nearly as intimate as some of the stuff she told me.

As the rain stopped, said "come on I'll walk you to your car," and held out my hand, palm down like the Alpha male. We locked hands and went for the walk. That's when she really opened up.

She drove me back to my car & we sat in her car for a long ass time listening to music. It was great, sharing emotions with songs. We actually got into a pretty deep conversation in the car. Nice to know this chick's got some serious brain power / gray matter. Good stuff.

We got out and I half-assed went for a kiss, but she shyed away. Still got a big hug. Perhaps it wasn't a quiet enough place in the garage? Nobody was there it was like 10:30PM, but it's lit up like a Christmas tree and it's pretty open (1st floor). Maybe it wasn't an intimate enough setting. That's what I truly think, because she REALLY was into me tonight. Perhaps I should've tried in the car. But every time we locked eyes for what seemed like a long enough time [and I was ready to go for it, really I was], she turned away slightly, but just enough. At least there was tension! I'm laughing as I write this, she opened her window 'cause it got steamy. Hahahahaha I just had to share this.

So, yeah definitely an awkward end to the night, but I played it off the best I could. I don't even remember what exactly I said, but I know "I don't bite" was somewhere in there. Oh shit... She was smiling though when she left so I don't think it could be a fatal disaster. And she did acknowledge the 2nd chance I threw her after standing me up (okay not a big deal, but I've been assertive yet forgiving).

Now, before I wrote this post, I emailed her (my school email has a university-wide address book). Pretty neat shit.

It's great that next week is spring break. Pretty good timing, as my schedule is flexible at the current time, but won't be for long. I let her know that and told her to give me her schedule so we could get together.

I just hope she's the type of person to check her school email. Lots of people don't do that.

So what's the expert advice? Deepcover is the only person reading this thread? I hope not, this took a long time to write. Carpal tunnel is creeping in!

Regards,
13M

I got an email back from her....excellent stuff, she's down to chill this weekend. I'm thinking Sunday afternoon downtown [near the beach, I live in S. Florida] there's always a shit ton of fun things to do for free // very little $$$.

So I'll shoot her an email back and let you guys know how it unfolds.

I see that there are actually people READING the thread despite the lack of posts, so I'll keep posting. Maybe some of my mistakes // triumphs will help.

13M

Definately reading Seems like you are doing a great job with this particular girl. I'd think if you continue this could end up in something very nice for you. Keep it up!

Thanks, man I appreciate it. Definitely NOT looking for a quick fuck with this girl. We'll see what happens as we get to know each other.

So, emailing to set up a date just sucks! I tried for tomorrow but she didn't get the message till today. She even said she wished she had checked her email earlier.

Short but sweet, she's definitely into me [smilies etc]. Regardless she asked for my schedule this week so I gave it to her. Email is bullshit guys, I'm surprised I actually prefer face-to-face. I guess it's easier to read someone using this body language stuff. So I'll update you guys again when I set up the date. Throw some more ideas around depending on what time we end up meeting and how long we have [all day vs. an evening date]. Anyhow, I'm convinced it's going to be a blast!

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Addendum:

I've also been working on my body language incessantly this week, as well as reading others' body language. I try picking up on confident peoples' body language, and copying their style. Lots of styles! I'll have to make a style my own that's for sure--already getting there a bit.

The confidence building of body language is incredible. I am now realizing just how shy people are as a species, and how BADLY some folks just want a conversation. I pick up on that, & go talk to and meet people. I already hung out with some new friends this week. I'm loving the "fake it till you make it" excitment of all of this. I feel so AFC sometimes, but all I have to do is "pretend" to exude confidence. All of the sudden, I feel PUA and confident! Not sure how to explain it, but it really works.

I just walk around saying to myself "I'm the man!" wherever I go. Even when people aren't around. I bet it'll be ingrained in me one day. That's the plan at least!

I'll update you on this as well.

Regards,
5213M

Hello There!

Well, no emails so far. I'm not thinking this is anything I did though. From reading other threads it sounds like there might be a second guy in the picture. Anyhow, I'll end up seeing her next Tuesday anyways, so I'll be sure to let you all know what's up.

13M

Was reading you stuff good work. 1 suggestion when you number close use suggestion method to have her offer the number as opposed to directly ask for it. Such as it was nice chatting with you I gotta run can we continue this another time? When she gives you the number at that point it was her idea. Makes for a stronger number close.

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It's time

Sounds awesome I'll definitely use this when the situation is right. The only problem was that I knew I'd be seeing her a week later, so I wanted to get her number.

Not quite sure what to think.

This girl really threw me for a loop this Tuesday. Actually, the situation does. If you've read the other posts, you'll see the pattern I see.

Things went great as usual. Same shit different week [last 2 at the wine tasting, talking for about an hour after class ended & then some more on the way to her car]. Here's where the pattern continues.

She still doesn't have a phone (though she said she'd definitely have one by the end of the week). Emails didn't work (see above posts) because it just fizzled. I left Sunday available & told her once again it fills up quick (weekends really are too short!) and told her to call me.

The thing that throws me for a loop is that I met her WEEKS ago. You'd think if she really was into me, we'd have figured out at least one day that the both of us could meet. I asked for her address, no joy. I tell her about a day I have free, she emails me the day after.

I'm not understanding this, as our conversations are very deep and we've now revealed quite some about each other. Even talked about sex (very detailed stuff). So she's just gotta be into me, right? I really am convinced she's into me every time I see her but I have yet to get that first date. I mean guys, I've known her a month!

Anyhow, I still enjoy our flirtatious talks after class, so I see no reason not to continue. I mean she quite literally called me "exciting," in a very very cool way nonetheless.

So I guess my question is: Am I reading this whole body language thing completely wrong? Or am I just gaming a really shy girl? Anything else I can add to this?


One last thing--I have not KINOd after my first kiss attempt (went wrong, read a couple of posts up). Perhaps this has something to do with it? Lack of kino?

There are few things I would like to point out:

1. It seems like she's interested in you but reluctant to take a step further. This might be something you did, or more than likely the problem lies with her.

2. DO NOT afraid to kino, rinse and repeat just like how you deal with LMR. If you stop kino completely after one failed kiss attempt, it shows that her action affect you a lot, and the power shift to her.

3. You gave her too much power, you said you have busy schedule, yet you still leave a day off every week for her? That makes her start thinking "He has no other girls beside me, that was just bluffing, I'm the only one he's talking to". I would stop trying to make a date after her 2nd flake, if she's really interested she will try to make it work instead of flaking it off like that.

4. From what I see, you built too much comfort without escalation. You're heading towards "the cool guy in my class that I talk with, maybe flirt a lil sometimes" direction. If you noticed, her body languages are shifting away from the initial ones, arent them?
One more thing, when you locked hands, you should have done compliance test on her, squeeze it to see it she squeezes back, and caress it to see if she returns.

5. This is for future reference, if the girl flakes and doesn't have a phone, I would just tell her my schedule is completely book and just grab her to a coffee/casual dinner while walking to the cars, say something like "You're lucky you're cute so ima squeeze you in my quick dinner tonight"
---> Why would this work? It's casual, no pressure. It's harder for her to flake in person. It shows that you're an alpha male and takes lead of everything yet spontaneous and fun. If by any chance, she flakes out on the spot, just move on, if she cant even spare 30 min to grab a quick coffee or food, then she's not worth your time.

Excellent advice on the KINO! I also opened up a bit to her and got the date for this Sunday.

She'll be coming to MY place so I can take her out--niiiice!

You guys will get a FR.

She was a no show! I was absolutely shocked! She absolutely has some screws loose, I'm not blaming myself at all on this one. Definitely a great learning experience for a first sarge, but I'm not going to spend THIS much time gaming a girl before I manage to get her to agree to a date ever again. There's chicks that play hard to get and chicks that have trust issues--this girl must have been the latter. Sounds like roulette to me. I now know some pretty good indication of a trust issue complex.

If you did not read the full thread---> I had a VERY difficult time getting the girl to agree to go on a date (probably 6 hrs talking to the chick total time!). If she really was interested she would've made the date happen, and it would've been weeks ago. Next time a chick "lost her phone" when I called her, I'll just back off.

Regardless of taking so much time to game her, I feel as though I learned a lot. She also made it easier to approach other women in similar situations--nice to have a first-ever PUA enlightened sarge end in a #-close, as it has boosted my confidence ten-fold!

Regards,
N5213M