Cliffs- I somehow went from being "that guy" with a social disorder that was very cold and standoffish even when chicks tried to game HIM to someone that enjoys pickup in a matter of a couple minutes. I made my very first approach(s) tonight(10+) and it all came pretty much completely out of the blue with no intention or preperation. I'll be going out this morning/afternoon to give it another go and to take some clips(mostly audio) off a hidden camera keychain for review material and will upload them if I figure out how. An essay of my experience is written below for anyone that actually cares to read all of it.

I am having mixed emotions right now, I'm about 90% ecstatic and about 10% pissed off for realizing what I've been missing out on all these years and how stupid it has all been. I'll start with a post I made here a few days ago in someone's elses thread to give a little background info-
About a week ago I was disgnosed with ADHD(a condition that has absolutely ruined my life), I was given a script for Adderall XR that I just now picked up tonight. I dosed at about 9:30 and at 10:30 I decided to run down to CVS for a few things. I was feeling great and sociable, about the same euphoria as a solid alcohol buzz but of better quality and while still possessing all my normal motor functions/reflexs. I saw a 2 set(6.5 and a 5) looking at the wine selection, the 6.5 was pretty cute so I decided to go in, the conversation went something like this-

"Go with the Yellow Tail, it's the least disgusting of them all"

- "Haha, it's a big decision!"

After about 20 seonds of bullshitting about wine I decided to make the conversation a little more personal and asked them if they went to A&M. They're both working on their undergrad, blah blah blah.

Bullshitted a little more, made a couple jokes, blah blah.

The 5 said she worked at a local chain restraunt and told me that I should "stop by" sometime on a Saturday night and she gave me her name to use as a waitress request.

I told them it's right across the street from my apartment(which it is) and asked what kind of food they have in an effort to try to keep things flowing. She started listing the menu and then starting talking about a "totally awesome" deep fried sandwich that was topped with powdered sugar.

- It's good!

Sounds like shit (smiling)

-lol, no really.

If you say so!

After about 10 seconds of silence I kept screaming "close close close!" to myself in my head and completely out of left field I managed to blurt out a "Hey I have to get going but we should hang out sometime" over the course of about a 1 second timespan(no, I'm really not exaggerating all that much), the combination of it being one of the most nerveracking things I've said combined with the amphetamines somehow made it possible.

I know I should of qualified them and all first but 98% of the problem was that it was said so extremely fast, my voice sounded very high pitched from being so nervous, and overall it lacked anything that in any way resembled confidence.
They both looked at each other with an akward expression and one of them said "Maybe..." while smiling. I went to grab my phone but I realized I left it in my car, something I NEVER do. I told them I'd check it out sometime and left.

My initial feeling was of embarassment but as soon as I walked away the feeling was completely overcome with ecstacy, both for FINALLY doing the "thing" that I've just been "putting on hold for another month or two" since Elementary school and for realizing that approaching women is just simply a mind game that I managed to create in my head.

As soon as I got out of the CVS I had an extreme urge to do some more approachs and the grocery store across the street seemed like the best place to go. I had just done my grocery shopping yesterday but went anyway.

After I walked into the store I came up with a stragety to walk up next to girls/women that were looking at something, wait a couple seconds as not to make it too weird, and then make a suggestion/ask a question about whatever they were looking at or try to make some type of witty comment about items in their shopping cart if applicable.

Chicka #2- Girl in her late teens/early 20's looking at Chef Boyardee cans, 5.5. I haven't eaten that shit since elementary school and can't remember the first thing about what it tastes like but I really couldn't of cared less.

*Grabs a revioli*

Go for the beef and noodles, much better.

- lol, I don't know, they're both pretty good.

Yeah, they pretty similar, similar yet different.

- Yeah... (smiling)

After a few seconds of silence she did one of those walk away smiles without the eye contact, almost as to say "I'm leaving now, but trying to be polite about it.) (Not trying to imply anything, just painting a picture.)

Chick #3- Brunette looking at sweet potatoes, looked to be about mid to late 20's. Easy 8.

Are those sweet potatoes?

- Yeah, they're good!

I've never had them before, what do they taste like(I fucking love sweet potatoes, but that's beside the point.)

Went on for about a minute about sweet potatoes, she was smiling ear to ear and was more into it the conversation than I was, even after she got what she needed and after a few seconds of silence she still stayed and started it back up again.

She ended the convo with "You need to pick one up! They're really good!" and went on her way. I picked one up and was going to run into her and do a non-verbal "See, got ona 'em" to spark it back up but she checked out soon after our conversation.

Chick #4- 2 set, one with a face of a 7 and the body of a 4 and the other with the body of a 7 and face of a 4. I saw two huge bags of limes in their cart so I decided to run with that. The one with the decent body walked away just before I was about to open.

Wow, you sure do have a lot of limes...

- Haha yeah, I'm about to visit back home to (Some damn podunk city in south Texas, don't remember/care) and we don't have limes like these so my family likes to stock up!

Oh that's cool, so are you up here for school?

She passed the hook point almost immidently, she leaned over her shopping cart in my direction with her torso at about a 60* angle and had a big smile on her face. She was working on her Associates at A&M, blah blah blah.

Bullshitted for about 30 seconds and then her friend came over. She didn't try to cock block me or anything, just stood there and then started talking to her friend after a few seconds of silence. A very small hiccup that shouldn't of been anything to begin with but it through me off track and cut the conversation a little short.

I started to think of how I was going to sarge the 2 set again and get a number close (I opened a couple other girls in between this but I'll organize it by set for simplicity.) I planned to open with some bullshit about her degree, bring in her friend with a "so are you one of those south Texas girls too?" or something similar and go from there.

I followed them around for about 30 minutes (not really followed, but stayed within a few isles or so and every few minutes glanced at them while their backs were towards me to look for a good time to approach.)

I went in a few times but everytime I did things weren't "right" so I just never made eye contact and aborted, I worked it out so that when we did run into each other it would be them running into me with the exception of the couple of the failed attempts. I tried not to go overboard with it but whenever they showed up they were in the middle of a conversation and and continually walking I for some reason just didn't feel comftorable approaching with either. I thought that I was pretty incognito but I'm sure they were left with the impression that the run-in's probably weren't a complete coincidence.

As soon as I decided to forget about the whole "right timing" thing and approach regardless they went to checkout. I showed up about 30-60 seconds after them and was directly behind them in line. I opened with the cute one again but noticed that she made a complete 180 from before and was pretty standoffish- no facial expressions and just answering my questions with bare minimums while continuing to load groceries on the loading belt. I assume that's because she thought I was some wackjob that was stalking them but whatever- at least I learned something from it.

Chick #5- Blonde, pretty god damn hot. An 8.5-9 all day. Saw her looking at shampoo.

I stood next to her while pretending to look at shampoos, read labels, ect. She migrated over to the Pantene section so I decided to go with that.

Go with the Pantene, you won't regret it.

- Haha yeah, I love Pantene

Who doesn't!

- Yeah...

Couldn't think of anything to follow up so that was the end of it. I saw her about an hour later texting and noticed she hadn't bought anything and was thinking about opening up with a "Wow! A girl that doesn't like shopping! I've yet to see that before" or something like that but a split second before I was about to open she put her phone to her ear. More than likely she could "feel" what was coming and just didn't want me to open her again. I heard her on the phone talking about her boyfriend a little earlier FWIW.

Chick #6- Black chick looking at soy milk, 6.5. She definitely wasn't the chick I wanted to close the most but for some reason everything about me was pretty smooth on this run, very PUA-like minus the stall in the convo.

You ever had soy before...? (humerous/disgusting face)

- lol, nope! I was thinking about trying it out, how about you?

Once

- What does it taste like?

Like shit.

It went on for about another 30 seconds before I ran out, the content itself wasn't much different but the delivery was definitely superior.

I know my cursing needs to be toned down and I need a lot of work on my mid-game and closing. I'm working on it!

There were a few more that were very short that I didn't add to avoid diluting my post even more, I intended on opening about twice what I did but the situations didn't feel "right" for me. I'm redosing my Adderall to stay up for the night and will be going to some coffee shops in the morning and to the mall in the afternoon to do some more sarging. I'll be making some clips and will upload them if I figure out how.

Holy fuck, that REALLY is an essay. This Adderall shit really works.

Also, for anyone that was wondering I ended up spending about 3.5 hours in the grocery store and spent all of $13, lol.

It was nice to read that You're having fun in all these simple approaches and how you found conversation starters like that. I myself find harder time to open someone in a mall than in a nightclub. Probably 'cause I feel it would feel awkward since they're not prepared for this like they are in clubs. But whatever...

Just wanted to add to your #4 "stalking" case. It was probably it, had similar situation in a club few weeks ago. Hot blonde, around 8-8.5 definitely was interested in me but I just hesitated for wayyyyy too long and when I finally decided to make a move she was just cold. That taught me never to hover too long .

Keep up the good work
Mav-

Thanks! I had some other stuff going on today so I just went to the store again today for about 30-45 minutes.

Pretty similar last night but the conversations were even a little less in-depth. I had about the same number of approachs as last night(7 or so), the store has a completely different feel to it during the day and I didn't feel comfortable actually transitioning past the opener to something personal in front of so many people with so much backround noise, ect.

The conversations were simply questions(Have you tried those sugar-free chocolates? What do you think of them?) that were milked out as long as possible(about 10-30 seconds) without phase shifting.

I spent a couple hours today drafting out some material, just mostly a lot of the same old material on the web that I've motified to fit my personality, ect.
Even started making some flow charts, lol. Anything it takes to ease anxiety of real gaming.

I'd like to try some more approachs at some new places after school tonight but I've only gotten a few hours of sleep since I got up Monday moring so I'll have to see if I'm still up for it when the time comes.

Don't milk Your opener
Openers purpose is to do just that: open. As soon as You engage her in conversation and she hooks just cut the thread off and stack to another thing You want to talk about. Like with that chocolates You could say "'Cause once one of my friends had one of these and (...)". It doesn't have to be true but I think You get the idea. Something that helps You move to another subject. If you're getting so good on opening I think You should focus on stacking topics next to keep the conversations going.

Best Of Luck
Mav-

Yeah for sure, unless the chick is really into you is willing to take control of the situation sticking with openers will sink the conversation in a heartbeat. I really just went soley with the intention of trying to develop a comfort level with approachs but looking back on it I have nothing to lose and everything to gain by trying to push it further.

I know the conversations are going to be rocky but I might as well just jump in head first and. I've noticed that my social interactions are a little smoother when I chew gum, it calms me down a little and helps a little with the whole "take it or leave it" type persona. That in addition trying to warm up socially first by just talking to random people first should definitely help some.

I'm going sarging tomorrow and will NOT be coming back to my apartment until I get my first # close. I don't care how long it takes but it will get done.

I always do better with people pushing me so I'm just throwing it out there to make it more difficult to make an excuse and bitch out. Wish me luck!