Hey, I'm Illogic

Why the name? Think logically and you will find your answer.
Why is it called a lounge? Because this is a place where I can relax and reflect.
Is this another journal? yes and no. It is not because I will not only use this to write down my experiences here, but I will also do exercises here (e.g. freewriting).

I started this journal inspired by kasabi and I thought AFC Daniel could use some healthy competition (just messing with you, keep up the good work bro ).

Constructive criticism and thoughts are greatly appreciated. If you see MAJOR mistakes in my English, tell me

I will start this journal off with the dreams exercise from kasabi, because if you don't know where you want to get, you're like a blind man in a maze.



a. dreams

• Be comfortable with approaching and closing women anywhere, even where it is not expected, improve the quality of the conversation.
  More specific:
  - having number closed 30 girls in clubs - end may
  - having number closed 30 girls in daytime - end september
  - having kiss-closed on the streets/library/shop in daytime - end september
  - get my flaking rate down to one in four (= building more trust/intrest) - end september
• Be able to hold an interesting conversation with about anyone - end september
• Have sex with 5 girls I approached - end september
• get a blowjob in nature ( at beach or woods or … this doesn’t mean in public) - end september
• Have a threesome (Waiter, two cookies and a banana-split please :p) - in one year
• Main dream: Find a girl I really connect with - end september
• Longterm: Sit in a rocking chair with a tobacco-pipe in my mouth, telling my grandchildren great pick-up stories that make grandma shake her head.

b. the things I lack for my dreams

* Presentness
You could also see this as confidence, though it is more than that, it basically means sense the present instead of being in my head. For me AA or lack of confidence is the same as letting your brain create scenarios that make you fear.

* Focus
I will need presentness to focus and I will need focus to not get distracted from the steps to my dreams.

* Organisation and structure
Structure to avoid chaos, to clearly see the dream and the steps to make it there on the best way possible. Structure to avoid postponing and inaction. I have been structureless for so long, but it only resulted in disappointment, adjustment, stress and time wastement.

* Willpower
The computer is fucking me up big time and I know for some of you this will also be the case. This thing allows me to create a virtual world where you can be whoever you want to be, see whatever you want to see and hear whatever you want to hear. Doesn't this sound like something that is pretty addictive?

For me and those who can relate to this,



it's Plato's cave.

I have wasted so many hours on basically doing nothing on this thing, but it gives satisfaction enough to experience something virtually to take less action in real life. (By the way guys, it's only a matter of time before they can simulate scent and fart virusses will become a real issue) Though it is a part of the willpower lack, it is probably not the only reason.

* Experience
I only have some clubgame experience. Experience is what we learn from if we really want to understand something. If I haven't experienced it myself, it remains hypothetical and will get lost in all the other information.
rephrased: I have to test it myself to see what works.

* Social skills
To get an interaction going, but not only for pick-up's sake, it will allow me to create so much more opportunities in life on all areas.

* Seduction tactics
To raise the girls attraction to me.

* The feedback and ideas from people with experience
That's why I am here and why I will meet up with other experienced people to go out.


c. identify and classify the lacks

Ok, now I have a web of things I have to work on and they all have influence on eachother, so where do I start?
All my dreams start off with the same requirements, having basic game down, so let's put a structure in how this works.

Willpower -> Organisation and structure -> Presentness -> Approach -> Focus -> Social interaction -> Seduction -> Closing -> Feedback -> day 2 -> Feedback


Willpower - There is already some basic willpower, otherwise I wouldn't have done approaches yet. It still is blocking me to step it up a level.

Organisation and structure - This is a block, but something I can work on immediatly.

Presentness - This is a block, I think too much.

Approach - My basic willpower will take care of this in the beginning, later on presentness should do the work.

Focus - This is a block, I wander too much and get easily distracted.

Social interaction - clearly a block for holding an interesting conversation with people, but also for the approaches.

Seduction - not something that is blocking me right now, I have some basic seduction tactics. Later on when I have the other blocks down I can work on improving this.

Closing - not blocking me right now, but can also be improved when the rest is taken care off.

Feedback - This is a block, suggestions and ideas from experienced people will have a positive effect on my learning curve.

day 2 - Not blocking me right now.



d. solutions

Willpower
- Limit my computer time, don't immediatly look the things up that I am thinking about if it is not urgent. Instead write them down and look them up in the evening, because I get too easily distracted and will waste alot of time if I don't.
- Get more experience and more involved with people who are practising pu.

Organisation and structure
- On sunday I will make a week schedule and I will start taking notes of things that I have to do that day so I don't forget them.

Presentness and focus
- Do 20 minutes of meditation a day focussing on nothing at all, to train my presentness and 20 minutes of meditation a day, focussing on nothing but a candlelight to train my focus. (core values of a man exercises by Zac L)
- Experience with interactions will losen me up more and more, thus making me more present.
- Doing memorisation exercises will train my focus.

Social interaction
- Do more social game, introduce myself to "everyone" in the club and have a small conversation with them.
- Talk with strangers, this doesn't mean only cute girls, in other settings than the club. In order to do this I will first have to get more comfortable with being social in clubgame. However I will do the Bolognese opener exercise ( bolognese-opener-vt58443.html?highlight=bolognese ) to prepare myself for this.
- Go to Toast masters to improve my public speaking (thanks for this idea Chicoman).
- Do freewriting exercises.
- Meet up with friends more often and don't try to find excuses to say no to invitations. Instead of seeing the negative side, see it as an opportunity to train.

Feedback
- Keeping this journal allows you people to help me.
- I will try to go out with experienced people as much as I can, they can give me feedback on things like body posture, tonality and plenty of other things.
- Toast masters will give me feedback on my talking and presence.


e. tasks

- Only go on the computer in the evening, unless if it's something that has to be taken care off right then, 1-1.5 hours
- Go to events that the nearby people of the layer organize, meet up with someone experienced at least once in 3 weeks. (wednesday, thursday, friday or saturday)
- Plan my week, sunday - 1 hour
- Meditation, twice a day - 20 minutes
- Go clubbing at least once a week, preferably more (wednesday, thursday, friday or saturday)
- Hold my notebook with me and do the bolognese exercise, each time I see someone I want to talk to (this will prepare me for daygame) - 5 minutes.
- Do memorisation/concentration exercises, 4 times a week - 1 hour.
- Go to toast masters, once each two weeks - 4 hours.
- Do freewriting exercises, 3 times a week - 30 minutes
- Keep my journal updated, daily - in my computer time.

These tasks are to get my basic game down, after that I can change my tasks.


Fellows, I would love to write more, but I have a date to go to

Illogixxx

Looks solid. . . I really have nothing more to add. Alright . . . let's go . . .

Freewriting exercise

I took this game "oh-hell" that was lying around here and started writing about it.



- "Oh-hell", sounds like it is really fun to play..
- Ugly font, even with a pencil in my ass I can draw something cooler
- It's a card game
- One of the cards looks like a pirate flag, ghaaaarrrr
- The joker on the box looks like a serial killer
- If you turn the box 999 becomes 666
- The joker is the antichrist send by the devil
- The name has hell in it, but the background is sky blue
- The font is supposed to visualise fear
- It is a small rectangular box
- 999 games, for ages 1-999
- only god and the devil could reach an age like that
- there is a red frame around the game saying blood will be spilled
- on the side it says art. nr.: xxxxxxx, as if it is a collection item for art collectors, the more "oh hell" games you have, the higher your social class.
- There is a scratch in the box
- If I call the waranty center I will probably just come out on an indian callcenter
- There is an effect behind the words "Oh hell" as if it is pushed to the front. Conclusion: this game is clearly propaganda for the devil

day 1 - seaze the date

The date

I was going to this date a bit against my will, the girl is cute, but a bit to silent for me. I promised the girl to come over and I kept my word and went there without prejudgement or negativity. We watched a movie together and listened to some tunes. I noticed she was into me, but I know she isn't the kind of girl I'm looking for. Even though I got turned on by her on moments, I didn't do anything because I know it would hurt her afterwards.

There is one moment I remember the best from the date. She (a bit shy) was laughing with the movie and got embarassed because she laughs in a "weird" way. It made her uncomfortable so to put her at ease I started laughing louder than her. She appreciated it I think, after that she didn't hold in her laugh anymore.

All by all I had fun, 0 for prejudgement - 1 for positivity.

lessons learned

- Accept a girl for who she is
- Make the girl feel comfortable
- Not being negative allows me to make the best out of a situation


The club

That night me and a friend went to the club. My goal was to introduce myself and talk with many people.

What I didn't forsee was that the music would be so loud that you could barely understand eachother.

hotty

There was one girl that immediatly caught my attention (let's call her hotty, she looked amazing and was standing there with 4 friends, all girls. We were thinking for a while how we would start this, until my friend realised he knows one of the girls (codename: friendy). We went over to say hello, but the other friends (including hotty) splitted from her. I thought about opening the set (only way to get to her) but didn't because the music was way to loud for this to succeed. Me and hotty had a few times eye contact.

Suddenly hotty, friendy and some girls left. I got mad at myself for not approaching, but lucky me, she came back a bit later (still in a circle with friends). Me and my friend quickly brainstormed about the situation and I told him to open the set and ask them where friendy was, my plan was to open hotty. (there was a stripper guy in the party).

my friend walked to the group, but he didn't open the whole group, he only went to hotty and ask her where friendy was. He was standing between me and hotty. Determined to open this girl anyway I leaned over:

me: "Hey, could you introduce me to that stripper, he is kind of hot" (there was a stripper guy in the party). She didn't understand me.

me (louder): "could you introduce me to that stripper?"
hotty: "I don't know him"
me: "so it is not your sorority organising this party?" (she was wearing a sorority sign)
she: "no"
me: "aah, that explains why you're not wearing a mask" (there were alot of people in costumes)
she: no response

Given that hotty only gave me short answers and nothing to work on, I started talking with my friend again. This failed, but it made me a boost. She wasn't going to ruin my night.

HBDance

I noticed the small stage the wall was packed with girls, so we went on stage. For a while we just danced there with no girls (kind of chode-style) again trying to figure out how we would start dancing with these girls (again a circle). Not coming up with any good ideas we kept dancing. A big spot came free in front of the stage, still close to the girls, so I jumped over there and did some ridiculous moves pretending I wanted to steal the show.
One of the cute girls noticed (HBDance) and said: go on, dance!
here is an attempt to recreate the conversation:


me: "nope, I am not a showman"
HBDance: "aww, come on"
me: "Let's do it this way, we gonna have a little dance off, you bring your moves first and than it is my turn"

HBDance starts dancing, comes closer and closer and is now dancing with her face 5 inches away from mine. I stand there looking right into her eyes, but still just stand there, not moving. She goes back and it's my turn. I go over to her, turn my back to her and started shaking my ass against her as if I was a female stripper grinding some guy.
I loften do silly stuff like this, makes the evening fun. She laughed and we talked a bit, told her I was actually a stripper too, but I wasn't half naked because then the other stripper would get jealous.

So we were standing there, dancing with the group of girls. Half of the time facing to them, half of the time facing the crowd (I always tend to do that or leave for a short moment to show I am not dependant on them) And I noticed hotty was still standing there with her friends, she was looking in my direction.

I didn't know what to do anymore, hotty was very short to me, but I had a feeling I should go over anyway. I tried to make some eye contact with her, but didn't succeed. HBDance started talking to me again so I turned back and reengaged this conversation. This is the moment when hotty and friends left.

With hotty in my head I wasn't so interested in HBDance and danced a bit around. HBDance was leaving, asked our names, I gave her some kisses and told her we would be here again next week. Shortly after we left too.

lessons learned

- Don't wait long to approach, I was lucky, but could have missed the opportunity to talk to hotty
- Take care of the logistics first, my wingman was standing in my way, so I should have moved so I could talk with her alone. Conversation could have had more succes and I could throw a bit kino in.
- Persist more. I should have persisted with hotty so that I would know for sure where I stand. Not eject for the conversation, but instead attempt to start dancing with her.
- Have a standard way of opening. We choded way too long figuring out how we would open the group.
- Grab the window of opportunity. When the girl started dancing right in front of me I should escalate and start dancing with her instead of against her.


questions

- Should I train to go out without a wing?

advantage of a wing: I have someone to talk with all the time and not look like a lone wolf when I am not approaching. (I know, talk with other people, but I can't rely on that with such load music. Worst is that in the other venues nearby the music is also very loud). I have someone to share eperiences with, but maybe that should wait until I get better
disadvantage: My wing gets in my way sometimes, wants to go home or to another place when I don't.

- How should I have dealt with hotty?

I had a double feeling about this. Maybe she became interested when she saw other girls around me.

About you laast reply: Of ocurse hottie became more attracted once she saw you with other girl. That`s one of the first rules on dancefloor game, building social proof.
First dance to a normal girl, lets say a 5 or 6 and then aim for the hottie. Same thing goes for opening and doing socials.

About your wingman I think you are overthinking this whole subject; he "got in your way" in a non threatening way. I mean yeah, he was talking to the hottie; that means he went straight to the target. That`s what you don`t want to do, show her all the interest in the first move. What you could have done is talk to the other girls about that other chick, any comment on: wow my friend seems to be getting somewhere with your friend, shit like that.

You can save your wing before he gets blown out from hottie by start talking to her, you now have a better chance with her, you almost showed no interest in her at the beginning. That way your wing doesn`t steps in your way, he actually made it easyier.

Now on the first post: I like your structure, you do seem to have a plan.
But there`s a downside for it, I tend to plan like a madafaca and one thing is for sure: everything NEVER goes according to plan. There`s always some flaw that brings me down, so now I try not to so I can adapt myself to any given situation.
This might sound a bit off, but I`m starting to think that there`s a lot of improvisation in this pooha stuff than what you might know.

One thing I noticed isn`t strictly written on your goals: having fun.
Of course you have fun and you are here couse you like approaching; but I think enjoying yourself with women and anjoying women too should be a solid goal in every PUA life style.

So following 60 yoc teachings: you should genuinly open the girls, not faking it till you`re making it, and then enjoying yourself with her.
After that see if the kino has a good respond, it it`s mutual in 60`s words; so you can turn this thing sexual.

Let her know you desire her, don`t say it couse it`s a major turn off, instead ask her to follow you somewhere or shit. You will always have last minute resistant, just say to her: we can always come back ;D

I like the type of "missions" structure for one night, Im looking for a good structure on it. Meanwhile you can read there`s a lot of flawss in my current game.

Write you later.

Bond.

Revision and replanning


1. The wingman issue

I probably overreacted about the wingman thing in this case like bond007 said. Still it made me realise that the best way to learn will be:

- go out with 2+ friends, so there is nobody dependant on me, this will give me more freedom, but still have friends to have fun with
- go out alone
- go out with someone that is more experienced than me


2. I Need to set specific goals for a night

Each night I go out I will set some goals that will train a specific part of my game. Though I am training, I still have loads of fun.


3. standard ways of opening

This will depend on the music volume.

1. The music is really loud:

- circle:
Keep having fun and dancing nearby, the group should automatically open up. If it is crowded I can refigure the circle, meaning that I can dance way to close with my back to them. Circle will automatically refigure and make it easier for me to turn around with a smile on my face and make a it's so fucking crowded here gesture and dance facing them. From there I can see what happens.

- Solo approach possible:
If a solo approach is possible, meaning there is only a low risk of being blocked or the girl feeling group pressure I can open her nonverbally with a spin or a buttbump, maybe ask her name or say I want to dance and run my dancefloorgame with a minimum of conversation.

2. Talking is possible! :

- group openers: "I'm glad you guys showed up", "Who are you people?", "PAARTAAAY"

- solo approachable openers: "I'm glad you showed up", "Hey, I'm illogic", "Hey, I wanted to meet you"

possible follow ups: "what's your name?", "look at that guy!" (there always is a weird guy), "this place is ..."

If I do short interactions I can end with something like, "it was great meeting you! let's talk later", "I have to say hi to a few more people, let's talk later"

If I see them again: "Did i miss anything?", "Did you miss me?", "you again!"
(credit for some of the openers go to reyalP)


4. Questions:

- Would it be way better to do some pregame to let the girl notice, dance nearby or be seen with other girls before talking to the real hot girl?

Scene 2 - a drunk mind

The club

2 girls at the bar

We were sitting in a bar and I got some eyecontact with a cute girl that was sitting there with a friend. I didn't approach, wanted to, but was afraid that it would be really awkward. We left the bar and a while later I went back with the idea to talk to them. The cute girl was gone to the toilet, I didn't know anyone there so I figured I should talk with her friend and stay long enough till she gets back.

So I went to the friend, asked her the first thing that came into my head:
"Did you see where my friends went?, they were sitting right there ..". We had a 15 second conversation, I should had transitioned to another subject, but I wasn't relaxed and not really present. So after 15 seconds talking to her I left.

We saw them back a little while later and my mate pushed me to approach. I walked up to them, next to them and returned to my friend. Yep, choded out, good start of the evening

myself

Like 60 says, when you're in chode mode, open yourself first. So we went dancing a bit in a club and to come over my chodeyness I had some small conversations with a few guys. Started to get more in the mood and we jumped into friend circles, do some dance moves and laugh with it. It makes the fear go away.

After that I had some small conversations with a few girls, but they didn't interest me alot.

2 girls on the stage

We went to another venue, I immediatly went on stage where some girls were dancing. I asked some guy to throw my sweater on that box and I was suprised how friendly he was. I wanted to test if the rest was like that too, so I started high fiving and shake hands with these guys on stage. Some guy even passed me a bottle of champagne to drink. This was awesome, so I continued to be in this 'sphere'. I was behaving like I was drunk, overacted facial expressions and actions. People didn't mind. I bumped against a girl (HBFriend) and said:
"wowow, take it easy!" We started dancing and she was into me.

The problem was, I was interested in her friend (HBHot). I wanted to engage HBHot, so had to come up with something.

me:"All my friends left this place, I'm so sad.." (in an obvious joking manner)
HBFriend: "It's ok, look all these people are my friends, you don't need yours"
me: "I'll need a group hug to fell better"
HBFriend calls her friends for a grouphug, jackpot
HBHot wasn't sure if she had to put her arm around me, so I just pulled her into the group and smiled.

I said a few things to HBHot, but soon she was dancing again with her back at me. I kept dancing with HBFriend, she was fun and she started escalating on me. I messed around a bit with her. I tried to get some attention from HBHot by looking for eyecontact or talking with a guyfriend that was standing with her, but she didn't give much response, probably thought I was drunk and I think she thought of me as a stranger. I talked some more with HBFriend and than left.

HBBlonde

Came in another venue and this song was playing:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m1EFMoRFvY[/youtube]

So I walked in having fun with it, walked in with some beyonce moves a hot girl (HBBlonde) passed me and looked like 'lol what is this guy doing'. Later that night I saw HBBlonde dancing with another girl. I went dancing nearby them, turned facing them. I went a bit closer to HBBlonde and thought she liked it, but soon she dragged her friend away from there to go stand somewhere else lol. I was still behaving drunk and bitch shields were up. I didn't really care and laughed it off.

Grouppicture

Doesn't matter what club you go to, there is always a group of girls trying to take a grouppicture and there is always one girl taking the picture that will not be on it. Poor girl. So that's where I come in. It was a group of unattractive girls, but whatever, I told the girl to give me the camera and shouted for the group that I would take the most beautiful picture ever taken. So i clicked the button, turned the camera facing me and took a picture of myself with it with a goofy face.

They didn't find it as funny as I did, so I took a real picture of their group. I said some more things and then ejected. Time to go home.

lessons learned

- Open up yourself by talking to other guys, it puts me in a social mood.
- Guys in clubs are way more receptive than I thought, I can use this to my advantage.
- Girls are better approachable if you have social value.
- It's not ideal to do 2sets alone

thoughts about the evening

- Maybe introducing myself to HBHot would have been a better idea, so I wouldn't look like a stranger to her.
- Getting too much envolved with the friend of the girl I like isn't such a good idea, it may look like stealing me away from her friend. (HBHot abd HBFriend)
- I shouldn't overdo the drunk guy, girls must not think that I approach because I am drunk, but because I am genuine. I probably scared off HBBlonde with this.

- I am going to use clubgame to train my body posture and presence. Clubgame isn't serious. I should start talking with random people during the day to train my conversational skills.


questions

- Should I introduce myself to girls first before engaging dance with her?
- Does anyone know a post or something similar that seems similar to my kind of game? Maybe I could improve my game with this info.
(High energy game or dancefloorgame)
- Who was that guy? I've never been like this

I told you I would amaze your game? )

≠ LD

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You're opening fine but lacking focus. Don't let the energy just fizzle away. If you gain some interest, capitalize on it and close. It's a good idea to move around as a 'team' even within one club. Go grab a drink/water. Go grab some fresh air. "Hey, let's check out that spot of the dance floor." etc . . . Every step of the way, you're progressing your chats and escalating . . .

I thought you meant by the first 2 sentences: escalate and close as fast as you can with her. But I could have interpreted your message wrong.
Here however it seems like a slower approach or is it a part of escalating and closing fast?

You're opening everybody fine but leaving sets prior to gaming them further. Sometimes, you'll look back to those situations and think, "Well, I wasn't so into her," or "it's tough to game 2 sets," or "she probably wasn't so into me." - These are wild guesses and excuses.

STAY THERE. FINISH THE SARGE. The speed of the game is up to you but I'll tell you . . .doing these things quickly is overrated and mere marketing material for commercial guys. Why would you want to rush through FUN? This is like going to Disney World and wanting to 'get that shit over with' as quickly as possible . . .

Take your time, finish the ride . . . have fun . .

Amazing, I just posted a new field repor in my journal and it was a pretty twin night with the one you describe.
But anyway, every FR I write is on dancefloor game where I go every weekend
So following what I`ve said, I find myself in the same position as you: having a hard time knowing what comes next after we open the sets in a cool way. The opener is just fine, is not that importa but fuck, what comes next?

I usually make some questions, wich girls almost everytime answer, but quests aren`t the best way either.

What I can tell you about your question of introducing before or after dancing I may say: depends on the situation. If you are next to a girl dancing on the dancefloor you grab her hand and spin her, then introduce while dancing and keep on talking a bit.

If the girl is like standing somewhere looking at the dancefloor or something else than you can introduce and have a few words. After that point you can say something like: hey, you look like you could enjoy a dance, come. Grab her hand and take her to the dancefloor. In order to pull that you need BALLS.

Long story short: the moment you introduce yourself isn`t a big deal, just focus on taking her to dance in order to get kino, and talking a bit so she can feel a connection with you.

I didn't get a chance to read what everyone else wrote but. I want to say a few things about what I did read from your last field report.

FIRST THIS IS A VERY NEW TWIST ON AN OLD CONCEPT & A LOT OF YOU GUYS WILL APPRECIATE THIS.

I saw that you where dancing with the girls. My NEWEST UH HUH in game is getting into what Mystery said as SUCCESSFUL risk taker. I think If you can become even partially successful risk taker it can be equally as attractive as Preselection in the right situations.

I RAN ACROSS THIS VIDEO A FEW DAYS AGO. THIS GUY IN MY MIND IS THE BEST PUA RIGHT NOW. here's why, 1.) HE's actually a very intelligent person on his other PUA channel & this isn't his actual Accent. 2.) He HAS BALLS.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onyTAZVAhs8

I DON'T ADVOCATE TAKING OFF YOUR SHIRT.

anyways. I'm stuck in a really small shitty town. & I want to find some guys who want to take over the world.
Do you know of any lairs that are operating right now like in The Game?

noted:
- stay in set
- introduce myself to the friends


@ OzzPUA

are you sure the video isn't fake? He has other pickup videos where he is acting with friends. And yes I think I'll keep my shirt on

here is a lair list: http://www.fastseduction.com/lairpage.shtml

I really like this journal, pretty organized, well laid out and planned. Reminds me of the old one I had. Unlike my old one however, I hope yours yields results. I wish you the best of luck .

--Gaius

P.S. Will borrow a few of your ideas for my new inner game journal .