Doc, talking to you about this is sort of like explaining what it's like to be a Marine to a high school kid.

if you a dedicated lifelong bachelor then I'm happy for you. And if women just equal sex to you, and you can hide it from them, get what you want then move on to the next victim then that's your deal entirely.

Not everybody falls into that category.

Understanding that is important no matter how you choose to describe yourself. And understanding that your wants and needs will change over time is equally important.

For me it's the difference between being a high status male, and just another guy walking around with a dick looking for the easiest place to stick it.

By the way, I was single for many more years than I've been married.

I think Alphagame deserves to get it from all angles. And the fact that he has a daughter is a mitigating factor. It would be a shame for him to blow off what may be the better girls in his life, just because a few here seem to know the price of everything, but the value of nothing.

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Exactly..

And that's not always a bad thing.

My point for Alphagame being, you have a choice of the women you choose to pursue and surround yourself with.

If it's nothing but easy, then you can expect it to be easy for the next guy as well. Sometimes a little extra effort pays off.

Beyond that the choice is yours. But I think you have an obligation not to go around being deceptive about what you're looking for from a woman.

There's enough of that shyt already. It's all about being high status vs. low status. Which is a big part of the equation around high quality, intelligent women. Who aren't going to fall for the bullshyt just because you read a book or browsed an internet forum.

Nope they're going to want to look inside. To see the real you before they respond likewise. I call it being smart.

Now I'd be wrong to think every guy wants a smart woman.

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YOU NEED TO PRATICE THE ART MORE. haha i dont even know why you ask this. 3 DATES 7 HOURS what will girls do to close you? make her think you will still be there after you FUCK HER.

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I can tell you haven't read MM or Magic Bullets. Here is a section straight from the comfort chapter. I've underlined the key part and bolded what needs to be corrected with this situation.

However, I do feel that you keep paying for shit like you are doing is making yourself seem like every other typical AFC. Have her pay for shit. It's simple..."hey, I grab dinner, you get drinks" or "I'll pay for the bowling, and you pay for the snacks..deal?" If she doesn't go for it, then move on. You want to be a challenge, not a "nice guy" that does everything that the typical guy she meets.

Look at your private messages. I'm going to help you out.

A daughter? That caught me too. And you laying in your daughters bed? I hope she wasn't around with any of this. Also, does that mean you're married? Or do you just have your daughter for visitation?

And, I'd heed Starbucks advice here.

AND, TAKE HEED TO EASYLOVER'S WORDS ON THIS TOO.

StarBuck.

I think it is cute the way you feel. I actually agree with your sediment but you went way off the deep end when you misconstrued what I wrote.

He was approching the situation as he was 'keep on paying for things and not getting any'.

Forget about the not getting any for a sec.

He keeps on paying for her attention and nothing is happening.....
That is not PUA. That is AFC. We do not pay for attention. It is equal.

I agree about the sex part also. The girls has to be extra special to get in my pants.

You know why.... I am the prize. They are not. They chase me (with suggesting reasoning)


As far as this girl.... Have you told her to take you out? It is her turn to treat!

What does she say? No way? It is the guys responsibility? If she does, she is playing you and it has nothing to do with sex.

Make sure you make her understand she has to pay. Not you taking her on a cheap date. Her paying for the date. You have paid enough for her to do this. Movie and some snacks is not to much.

Remember, if she complains, walk away. You will never get any (in her pants or in her heart). Another guy that just walks up may though, even while you are paying for the dates with her.

If she does pay though, that is a different story. She just might not be ready. Three dates is not really all that much. This is even with the best freeze out. Give it time. Go find someone to tide you over in the mean time

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Ok Valence..

But I contend they have a classic communication problem. She wants one thing, he wants another.

Instead of dumping her, stomping off like a 3 year old and taking his toys home, I contend maybe he should hang there a little longer just to find out what's really on her mind. It's foolish to think everybodies out to get you, or steal your money.

How much he decides to spend on her is his decision entirely. If she wont go out with him if he spends little or nothing, then that's indicative of an issue with her. But then you know what happens when you assume.

I'm not there, he is.

My suggestions were only possibilities from my perspective and based upon what he wrote.

You know you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

And to attempt to interject a play by play method of behavior into this situation, is to disregard the variables. Including the personal variables that are unique to him and her.

One of which is the fact that he has a daughter. If all you want to do is play around with whatever chick gives it up after three dates, there are plenty of women to choose from. But like he said he likes the fact that she's not a slut. In my view he now has to decide what he wants from this woman.

If he wants nothing but a cheap fuck, he should kindly excuse himself and seek one elsewhere. That's obviously what she's telling him.

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huh? You have been watching to much Dr. Phil.

Did you read what I wrote?

It is as simple as this. If she pays, she has more intentions then using him. If she does not, then she has no intentions beyond that.

It is really as simple as that, even with variables. Sex has nothing to do with the picture, nor does his daughter.


Quit focusing on the sex. I am not nor am I referring to it at all.

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I don't watch quacks, or Oprah.

Some girls aren't going to pay. You could call them old fashioned.

I say he should bring her over for TV and a frozen pizza one night.

The daughter is applicable. I don't know the age of the women you normally date. But if a women hangs around if you've already got kids she really likes you. And if she's not having sex with you she potentially has loftier or perhaps longer term goals in mind. And all kids need a momma.

That's just the way many quality women think.

It's important to understand how quality and well heeled women think. If you want to attract them into your life. Instead of just the alternative.

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If she has a job, she can pay. Period.

You assume to much about me, my age, and the 'quality' of woman I date.

You used quality a few to many times in your post. As if that disclaimer makes you more knowledged. I have a daughter and that means absolutly nothing in the context that you think it does.

You need to read David DeAngelos material. It will put things in perspective.

Quality..... Please. You have no idea and I am not going to explain it.

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I have read David DeAngelos material.

I haven't assumed anything about you. But then considering I'm old enough to be the dad of most people on this forum I approach most conversations from that perspective. If that's not true in your case, only you know for sure.

The guy said he dated the woman 3 times and she wouldn't have sex with him. Ok, well if 3 dates is the limit, why wouldn't he tell the women that to begin with? Or after date number 2 or something. You know something like, "Well hun, it's date number 2, if I don't get laid on our next date you're out of here".

Why make it some big secret, then dump her when she doesn't perform according to a set of rules only he knows?

In my view this is AFC behavior. I don't like when women do it, and I don't suspect they like it when we do it. He's just trying to buy sex, and I suspect she's onto it.

Quality women? Meaning they have a life, some character, don't fuck every swinging dick that buys pizza, and you can turn your back on them when in a relationship.

Now as for the daughter. I've dated plenty of women with kids. And I only dated 'em for one reason, sex. Yep that's it. There was never a chance it would go any further, and that was clear from the start. I don't have any kids and I don't want anyone else's. Therefore, I have to assume if she's not with him for sex only, there must be another reason. Maybe like you say he spends money on her, or maybe she has longer term goals.

I discount the first possibility because she doesn't appear to be trying to shack up with him, and she seemed like an attractive women. Point being if she is attractive she can find plenty of men willing to unload a ton of money on her already.

I'm going with possibility number 2. Beyond that, he's the one there and he's the one that needs to figure out what he wants, and what this woman wants.

It's just not that difficult.

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He does that a lot. (assume that is)


He's older, more wiser, better looking, can beat you up, and has been with thousands of women. You should listen to him.

Did you at least get to 2nd base?Man she is using you and she is also testing.One time I went on a date with this honey 2 times and didn't even get to 1st base.I got the "F" word,She was interested but then I knew I fucked up somewhere along the line.
Did you tell her anything to offend her?
You try Kino right?

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