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"Let me tell you a little secret":

^This phrase is the secret. When you actually have something of high value to offer, you don't beg for a sale, you offer it as if was a 'special secret'. This is what you'd do when you present a business plan you believe in or if you're quietly sharing a special pastry with one person because you only have one piece of cake. See, your frame in this situation would be, "Shhh . . . I only brought one cake from Paris. Give me your number and I'm going to call you in one hour so nobody else will know . . . "

Because you're offering such a high valued product and you're presenting in a way that makes her feel special, she goes, "Oh my God! OK, OK! Here's my number! Write it down! Make sure you have it correct!" When you share a positive exchange with a girl, you've just given her a taste of that cake. Joining your 'exclusive club' is a privilege. . . and this privilege is what you're selling. You don't apply for an exclusive yacht or golf club and tell them, "No, I'm not giving you my number." Instead, what you're likely to do is to tell them, "Here are ALL MY NUMBERS. Please, please call me . . ."

All relationships are "give and take" but let's get serious. If you were to write down your 'life curriculum vitae' and compared it with the 'life cv's' of the girls you've met, which would non-biased people choose as the more 'interesting life'? Who is joining whose 'exclusive club' here?

Do not confuse this with the "I am the prize" mentality often seen in pu circles. The difference is that the 'mentality' is an attempt to distort reality. (Really? That guy? The guy who's got bandages on his thumbs from playing Xbox all day long and has no job and lives with mama and masturbates to a post-it with 'alpha' scribbled on it? He's the prize?) What you're attempting to do is on the other hand is HIGHLIGHT reality and offer an invitation to share this reality with her.


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The K-close can be daunting at first. You need to let go of your fear of rejection. She already gave you her number, she already opened a rapport, SHE LIKES YOU MAN! Every minute you spend thinking she is avoiding you, is a minute wasted on your part. She is just living her life. She doesn't have any reason to act like your girlfriend, she doesnt want to come off needy either. IF YOU GO FOR IT, and you fail, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna stop sarging? Are you going to give up on being the man, and go back to looking at your feet? No, you're not, cause that would be boring, and lonely and depressing. You're gonna not give a damn, cause as you know, there are so many women out there, and they are more than capable of liking you. Kiss closing, fucking, attraction, failure, its all just part of life. You don't NEED this girl to kiss you back, hell, you don't even NEED to kiss HER. If she is lucky enough to be part of your club, then good for her! If she doesn't want to be in the club, just one more membership up for grabs!


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You have a lot to learn AFC daniel, unfortunately I do to because I'm fairly uncalibrated from not going out the past few years because of a ltr. I'm slowly morphing back into my old pua self by getting out often. I have enough knowledge to critically help you improve from all the methods I've studied.

Now I've only posted a few times on this board but it's one of the best boards as far as far as positive feedback & Constructive criticism goes. That's why I'm trying to post on here everyday lol, k sorry about the tangent lol

The "hi who are you"opener is really a sound bite, what that means is it's only a quick spurt of value that you've thrown out. Now if the girls super hot she may most definitely not respond. The hi who are you is also a qualifier question. Like whats your story? Or what nationality are you? It's best to use these 5-10 minutes in after ignoring her and talking to her friends. If she answers honestly you can throw a good old mystery line out and say " and thats special because?" if she responds positivly
you can act impressed as your starting to walk away before you talk about something
else. If she doesnt neg her and start talking about something else

Most of the time when you neg her you can give an IOI or indicated of interest afterwards and the same goes for giving her an IOI.... You give a neg this is push pull

90% of the conversation is by you the 1st 10 minutes 10% is her or her group. After that it's 50/50
As far as looks go. You may want to send a pic of some of your wardrobe just to
make sure your dressed to kill, I'm not saying your dressed well enough to get by or not but, I know I used to wear some pretty ugly clothes befor I found the community
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"Let me tell you a little secret":

^This phrase is the secret. When you actually have something of high value to offer, you don't beg for a sale, you offer it as if was a 'special secret'. This is what you'd do when you present a business plan you believe in or if you're quietly sharing a special pastry with one person because you only have one piece of cake. See, your frame in this situation would be, "Shhh . . . I only brought one cake from Paris. Give me your number and I'm going to call you in one hour so nobody else will know . . . "

Because you're offering such a high valued product and you're presenting in a way that makes her feel special, she goes, "Oh my God! OK, OK! Here's my number! Write it down! Make sure you have it correct!" When you share a positive exchange with a girl, you've just given her a taste of that cake. Joining your 'exclusive club' is a privilege. . . and this privilege is what you're selling. You don't apply for an exclusive yacht or golf club and tell them, "No, I'm not giving you my number." Instead, what you're likely to do is to tell them, "Here are ALL MY NUMBERS. Please, please call me . . ."

All relationships are "give and take" but let's get serious. If you were to write down your 'life curriculum vitae' and compared it with the 'life cv's' of the girls you've met, which would non-biased people choose as the more 'interesting life'? Who is joining whose 'exclusive club' here?

Do not confuse this with the "I am the prize" mentality often seen in pu circles. The difference is that the 'mentality' is an attempt to distort reality. (Really? That guy? The guy who's got bandages on his thumbs from playing Xbox all day long and has no job and lives with mama and masturbates to a post-it with 'alpha' scribbled on it? He's the prize?) What you're attempting to do is on the other hand is HIGHLIGHT reality and offer an invitation to share this reality with her.
Hi Kasabi, that makes a lot of sense to me. I'm offering her an opportunity to actually meet me. I am the one who got the balls to approach her, I am the French one... I mean, I'm maybe the first one she's seen in her life. I do consider myself as lucky. I don't feel the need to lie about myself to DHV. It's about highlighting reality as you said. I do think any woman should feel lucky about being with me. I've worked really hard to be where I am and I know I have everything I need to be successful with women.

Yet, in reality, that's not what is happening, she is not coming to me like crazy. So I must have fucked up at some point.

Again it's all about finding the right settings I guess, but I'm a bit lost. I'm high-value, I have to highlight that. I guess the best way to do that is to actually act like I am high-value... and that's not what I'm doing right now: I'm asking her to contact me, I'm affraid of "losing her", ... There's a dissonance between who I am and how I act.

Truth is don't know how to behave in regards of who I am, I think I need to find a "behaviour" and stick to it. Globally, I think I'm too nice. I'm not talking about the old concept of "nice guy syndrom" (=AFC) here. I just think I am too good to people, I'm too busy wanting people to like me. I'm too affraid of assessing my value. Don't get me wrong, I don't wanna be an arrogant asshole at all... but damn I want people to interact with me in a way that shows that they know that I am high-value.

Little Miss Sunshine is now forwarding a damn mail that has been sent to students to let them know about the party. This is not the kind of interaction I want/I think I deserve.

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The K-close can be daunting at first. You need to let go of your fear of rejection. She already gave you her number, she already opened a rapport, SHE LIKES YOU MAN! Every minute you spend thinking she is avoiding you, is a minute wasted on your part. She is just living her life. She doesn't have any reason to act like your girlfriend, she doesnt want to come off needy either. IF YOU GO FOR IT, and you fail, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna stop sarging? Are you going to give up on being the man, and go back to looking at your feet? No, you're not, cause that would be boring, and lonely and depressing. You're gonna not give a damn, cause as you know, there are so many women out there, and they are more than capable of liking you. Kiss closing, fucking, attraction, failure, its all just part of life. You don't NEED this girl to kiss you back, hell, you don't even NEED to kiss HER. If she is lucky enough to be part of your club, then good for her! If she doesn't want to be in the club, just one more membership up for grabs!
Sure Insert... but I won't see her today unfortunately... She forwarded me a mail about the party but it's too far... It's at more than 3 hours from where I live by bus... Not an excuse, I just can't make it.

I'll practice in new targets anyway.

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You have a lot to learn AFC daniel, unfortunately I do to because I'm fairly uncalibrated from not going out the past few years because of a ltr. I'm slowly morphing back into my old pua self by getting out often. I have enough knowledge to critically help you improve from all the methods I've studied.

Now I've only posted a few times on this board but it's one of the best boards as far as far as positive feedback & Constructive criticism goes. That's why I'm trying to post on here everyday lol, k sorry about the tangent lol

The "hi who are you"opener is really a sound bite, what that means is it's only a quick spurt of value that you've thrown out. Now if the girls super hot she may most definitely not respond. The hi who are you is also a qualifier question. Like whats your story? Or what nationality are you? It's best to use these 5-10 minutes in after ignoring her and talking to her friends. If she answers honestly you can throw a good old mystery line out and say " and thats special because?" if she responds positivly
you can act impressed as your starting to walk away before you talk about something
else. If she doesnt neg her and start talking about something else

Most of the time when you neg her you can give an IOI or indicated of interest afterwards and the same goes for giving her an IOI.... You give a neg this is push pull

90% of the conversation is by you the 1st 10 minutes 10% is her or her group. After that it's 50/50
As far as looks go. You may want to send a pic of some of your wardrobe just to
make sure your dressed to kill, I'm not saying your dressed well enough to get by or not but, I know I used to wear some pretty ugly clothes befor I found the community
lol
I definitely new some calibration in my game, but I'm working on it.

I've already posted a picture of me on DAY 31 or 32. But I'm not worried about how I dress... especially here in Brazil.

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Hey daniel!

You hit the head on the nail when you say there is a dissonance between who you feel you are and who you act like. YOU ARE TOO CONCERNED WITH BEING LIKED! Do you know why?

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YOUR EGO!!!

Check this thread out, it is really an inspiration, and you are so damn intuitive and smart, you figured out your problem on your own, so props to you, this will help you fix it!
frame-control-defining-reality-and-bein ... 34530.html

In regards to the party, who cares? Maybe some distance from this situation will clear your head, be careful of falling back into your "syndrome". And embrace the next 10 rejections you get. Go out and get yourself rejected, talk to the prettiest girls any chance you get. BLATANTLY, DIRECTLY, "Hi, you're adorable, I just had to introduce myself, My name is AFC daniel"


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Hey daniel!

You hit the head on the nail when you say there is a dissonance between who you feel you are and who you act like. YOU ARE TOO CONCERNED WITH BEING LIKED! Do you know why?

...
...
...
YOUR EGO!!!

Check this thread out, it is really an inspiration, and you are so damn intuitive and smart, you figured out your problem on your own, so props to you, this will help you fix it!
frame-control-defining-reality-and-bein ... 34530.html

In regards to the party, who cares? Maybe some distance from this situation will clear your head, be careful of falling back into your "syndrome". And embrace the next 10 rejections you get. Go out and get yourself rejected, talk to the prettiest girls any chance you get. BLATANTLY, DIRECTLY, "Hi, you're adorable, I just had to introduce myself, My name is AFC daniel"
I do need to dissolve my ego, but all this ego stuff is complicated... I'll write about it later.
I know the thread, it is amazing... it inspired me a lot. I should read it again though.
I really can't go to the party man... it's not safe at all for me to go back home by myself at night. Can't afford a 30$ cab.
Yet, I'm going to another party at the uni. I'll practice there.

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Some advice from my perspective:

Whenever someone gives you advice based around "ego", be much more critical than you would normally be. The vast majority of this advice is based on axioms.

Stick to practical things. If you want to be Buddhist, focus on ego. If you want to be a PUA, focus on behaviors.
Indeed Hobbit, I am critical about it. As far as I'm concerned, the real problem is to define what the ego is. That's why I told that I'll write about it later. I think it's really complicated since the concept is not clear at all.

Dissolving Tolle's ego (in the Power of now) makes sense. But I'm not sure everyone speaks about the same thing here when it comes to ego... I mean, my "ego" (general definition) brought me to the game in the end... It also makes me move forward...

I'll think about all that later.

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No no, I mean, who cares that you can't make the party? It's cool, AND GREAT, enjoy your uni party, that will DEFINATLY help you get your head in a better place regarding women in general.

It is VERY hard to dissolve the ego, but, it is good to always be concious of keeping it in check. That is where we must all begin.

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I do need to dissolve my ego
No, no . . . don't FIGHT your ego, just give it some direction. It's far easier to divert an overflowing stream away from your farm than it is to try to force it back up the mountain.
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Truth is don't know how to behave in regards of who I am, I think I need to find a "behaviour" and stick to it. Globally, I think I'm too nice. I'm not talking about the old concept of "nice guy syndrom" (=AFC) here. I just think I am too good to people, I'm too busy wanting people to like me. I'm too affraid of assessing my value. Don't get me wrong, I don't wanna be an arrogant asshole at all... but damn I want people to interact with me in a way that shows that they know that I am high-value.
Anybody who walks into a boardroom full of high ranking executives wants to 'make the sale'. There is nothing wrong with this desire; this is exactly what you're in that room to do. However, if you want to successfully cut a deal, you're going to have to transcend your desires and demonstrate value to each member of that room. The associate might just want to be involved in the project and get a pat on the back. The CFO is thinking about a few points in stock price. The CEO might be thinking about aligning your business offer with another umbrella company. The COO might be thinking about how your ideas increase the yield rate of a specific operation. It's YOUR JOB to address these needs through one smooth pitch.

So if this truly is the case,
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I do think any woman should feel lucky about being with me. I've worked really hard to be where I am and I know I have everything I need to be successful with women.


Then demonstrate to her what 'luck' means for her. If you have 'everything', then demonstrate to her what 'everything' can do for her. Currently, you're simply letting her figure these things out for her self.
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Little Miss Sunshine is now forwarding a damn mail that has been sent to students to let them know about the party. This is not the kind of interaction I want/I think I deserve.
Also . . . don't lose the sight of your GOALS. There is no 'perfect sarge' and her mailing one thing or another really has very little to do with your overall goals. Just keep moving on and following through with your daily tasks. It's all coming together.


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Hey Daniel,

Shame you didn't get to see Little miss Sunshine.
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Also . . . don't lose the sight of your GOALS. There is no 'perfect sarge' and her mailing one thing or another really has very little to do with your overall goals. Just keep moving on and following through with your daily tasks. It's all coming together.
This...times...1000.

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DAY 42: day and night game... and logistic issues
Everything is a joke.

I had a long day today. I had to go to another part of the town to do some administrative stuff and had a party planned for tonight with Little Miss Sunshine. Anyway, since it was a busy day, I set up some goals to get back to a better organized journal.

Addressed issues:
- Difficulty to approach strangers
- Difficulty to approach in another language (English, Portuguese)
- Difficulty to introduce myself
Issues categories:
- LACK OF EXPERIENCE/SKILLS
- LACK OF CONSISTENCY
- LACK OF CONFIDENCE
- FEAR

Solution: approach.

Strategy:
Same toolbox as DAY 41: "Direction" or "New in town" opener & French card.

Goals
Approach 3 sets and:
- introduce myself by shaking hands
- be funny (make them laugh)
Bonus: number close.

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I approached 6 girls and had three really decent interactions.

In the morning.
I went to the Federal Brazilian police and had to take 2 buses to go there. Since the transportation system is really bad over here, I had to ask the bus driver and passengers for some help.
- I opened I really cute girl HB9 asking for direction... I opened in Portuguese, got the info... and then I got my transition problem... she actually has not noticed that I was a foreigner... I was stuck, don't know what to say. That's silly, I could have said anything but did not. She actually took the same bus as I did. I fucked up on this one. She was beautiful.
- On my way home, I opened another girl for bus direction. She had braces... so I did nothing more.

First Joke: the bus girl.
Remember the girl I've gamed in the bus? She still has not added me on Facebook. I'm actually wondering if she was not on the damn bus this morning too! I noticed a cute girl looking at me but did not recognize her. Maybe... I say... MAYBE, that was her... I only thought about that when I got off the bus. If that's the case, I've just ignored her. DAMN, that's bad.

Second Joke: Little Miss Sushine.
Little Miss Sunshine forwarded me an email for a party downtown today. I was supposed to go there in order to see her. The problem is that the party was really far from where I live... and getting back home would not have been easy/safe. So sadly, I texted her that I won't come. But here's the second joke. Today, I've learned that I cannot actually received calls when I have no credit. So LMS may have actually called me... unsucessfully... That might be one of the reason why she asked for my email. FUCK ME. FUCK LOGISTICS.

The cervejada: first rejection.
Anyway, an Italian friend of mine offered me to go to another beer party at the campus. We went there and I was ready to game! Unfortunately, logistics were fucked up. We did not know where the party was.
- I opened a HB9 about the party. She was shy and did not know at all, I smoothly KINOed her arm since she was sorry: "that's okay". We saw her a little after and she told us some good places to go in SP. Did not try to number close since she seemed older and I was with the Italian friend.
- I opened a two-set: HB8 and HB6. They told us where was the party. The HB6 was talking and was a bit bitchy actually.
- Finally at the party... I saw a potential target but was unable to do something... We were two guys by themselves looking at girls... DLV for sure.
- I did open a two-set of 20yo HB9: "where is the other party"... I played the French card but was bad at it. She offered me to show me where it was. I jumped on the opportunity like mama's bitch. We started to follow them. In the way, one of them kissed another guy (bf I guess), no worries, I'm just being friendly. They were in front of us, I was following them with the Italian guy. I asked them a question and they actually did not hear it (or faked it). FUCK. Some minutes later, they told us to go this way... there was no fucking party on that way... DAMN. I've been played by 2 fucking 20yo hotties... FIRST REJECTION. I felt strange about it. Night game is really harder when you're two guys with no DHV.
- We grabbed something to eat and a 18yo girl opened me. We chatted a bit about France, Italy... I introduced myself, her name was Marina. We made her laugh. She left quickly though. => half point on this one since I was not alone.

Another nice bus interaction.
I took the bus to get back home. At some point, a girl sat next to me: HB6,5. I opened:
ME - Oi! Do you speak English?
HER - A little (she was already smiling... I was in)
I asked for directions again, played the French card again and was funny! She laughed a lot and sent me lots of IOIs. Some key elements
- I spoke English, Portuguese, Spanish and French with her... she was impressed how easily I switched from one language to another.
- I introduce myselfn shook hands.
- I could not pronouce her damn name, so I called her "Little Miss Sunshine": she absolutely loved it and told me she loved the movie.
- She did not like my name, I was like: I'm not speaking to you anymore (cheesy I confess).
- She did everything possible to help me: asked the bus driver, the other passenger.
- The bus driver took a break, she was supposed to leave but she stayed to wait with me.
- I kissed her goodbye the French way: two kisses.
That was a quite good and easy interaction but the end was painful to watch... The bus driver was coming back so I had to get in the bus quickly but she was sooooo clearly disappointed that I did not take her number. That was painful, even for me... I was on that damn bus thinking that I fucked up again: she could have been a damn easy lay! I could have had a 20yo FB. => 1 point on that one anyway.

Results:
1,5/3.

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On the strategy.
The strategy is good but I need to be very clear that I am a foreigner. Opening with "do you speak English" (in Portuguese though) helps. Yet, that's too easy... I mean, I don't know if I would have been doing so great in France...

On the Game.
- Logistic can fuck your Game: cellphone issue, bus driver coming back from his break... damn.
- I'm confirming the little Game I have: I can be funny and apply KINO.
- Rejection felt weird, but I just don't care right now.
- Night Game is hard with no DHV (girl, friends...)
- It's fucking hard to do something when girls are expecting to be approached.
- I'm getting used to the beer party thing.
- I have to always go for the number close.
- The abundance is here but I feel like I have to start everything from the beginning.

Questions to move on.
- I feel stupid about the situation with LMS... she might have called me. I'll try to see her at the uni but damn... how can I recover from such a shit?
- I'm starting classes soon... any advice on that? I'll meet a bunch of new people... should I number close the first day?

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I think you are overreacting bro, you actually talked to a whole bunch of girls that day, I remember you didn't talk to none in your posts. Last chick you shoulda gotten her number but its all good man plenty fishes in the sea. I like the fact that LMS is a great prospect but don't make her your only prospect broo. Keep it up and like the war strategist Sun Tzu said "Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."

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