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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:54 pm 
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I usually go with indirect game at night but recently I have been having some success with direct game at daytime and thought that I should try out direct version of game at night. Yesterday night, I went with my friends to a bar. We enter the place and I saw this two set (HB5 and HB8) sitting on the other end. So, I went over to them and opened HB5 and said, "I know this is random but I think your friend over here (looking into eyes of HB8) is absolutely fuckin gorgeous. I had to come and meet you guys". HB5 said yes she is cute blah blah and HB8 started blushing. I said agreed that she was gorgeous but beauty is not the only thing important for me. Is she (Looking at HB8 and hands on shoulders of HB5) a smart girl? HB5 started laughing and said yes she is....too smart for you (first shit test I guess). I replied ok lets find out and asked HB8 to show me her hands (wanted to get into palm reading and ESP routine to tease her later how goofy she is actually). Well HB8 resisted and didn't show her hands. Since she failed compliance I was about to throw the light IOD but before I opened up my mouth, HB5 said she has a boyfriend (another shit test).....I thought whats their problem. (In my experience usually HB9/10 gives you about average of two/three shit tests ). I decided to eject and find more targets rather than getting shit tests for HB8. Did I do something wrong? what strategy should I have gone with ?

My question to you guys is how can I tackle the BF shit test in a better way? Any canned replies. I would also appreciate if you can critique my game above and highlight somethings which I need to work upon.


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the only reason direct game is successful in the daytime is because it is very unexpected. whereas in the night time, AFCs do direct game and fail because their bitch sheilds are up constantly. hb8-10 get hit on directly about 10=15 times a night in a club. you have to be different from all the other afcs out there.

from the experience you descirbed you didnt create enough impact and jumped in to kino escilation. you didnt create any DHV which is a must.

one cant rely on canned material so much. a real pua can adapt in any dynamic environment. learn to think on your feet and 'go with the flow'. you need to learn the simlpe basic pua techniques before takikng on the advanced ones. here are some clips from my posts for you.

women like men who are observant and situational. notice things about ur target, what she is wear (clothes, jewelry etc). so if u notice something about her (do not comment on how beautiful she is) tell her about it e.g. u notice her bracelet, when talking to her, take hold of her wrist gently and say "wow this is an interesting bracelet, whats the story behind it?", there's always a background story behind women\s accessories. be situational about the environment you are in, whats happening, what do you see, make a statement about it or ask her opinion on it. being situational is much better than scripted material.

here are some of my other posts about building attraction and rapport with a girl.

one thing you should know is when to tease (push pull technique, negging etc). they should only be used if ur target is a 7.5 or above (or the girls who think they are 7.5 or above whereas in actual fact they are not). if you were to tease a girl below that rating, you would end of hurting and insulting them. in exclaimer for using negging and teasing is that one should positively validate their target before they negatively validate them. the reason to do it in this way is because one must hook their target in order to get their attention. so after the positive validation (for a set who is +7.5) you negatively validate them (tease, push) in order to put yourself at a higher level than them because at the beginning they are higher than you. the main reason why it is good to use negging is to challenge the ego of a girl of high calibre which is something that a typical afc does not do. and by doing this, it shows that u r a man that has high standards and does not go for just any girl and this will make the girl more interested and it will compel her to work harder to gain your approval because you have showed disinterest in her, told her that she does not fit your standards (negative validation). girls always want the guys that is surrounded by women and guys which are difficult to get, its a challenge for women to go after those guys.

building rapport is a very interesting process. in order to build a great emotional connection one must choose to talk about things which have deep emotional content. it does not matter what the girl does or likes, you can connect with her even if you have dissimilar interests. as you know all occupations and hobbies are completely different in their complexity, principles and structure, but there is one thing which all of them have in common/share "EMOTIONS". one must be empathetic and show a girl that u understand why she chose to do that job or hobbie by expressing the emotions that one feels when doing that activity, it shows that you're really trying to get to know her, and she will think "wow this is a great guy to talk to, he's making an effort to understand me, but wait, i dont know anything about him" and this will compel her to ask you questions and u can freely express yourself how ever much u want as long as u express urself passionately and positively. all the men dont do this at all and do not understand how much empathy is a powerful force and openly allow themselves to be perceived to see a girl superficially. you can use the concept of 'rapport' to ur advantage as well.

in order for you to build greater rapport with her, get used to asking more open-ended questions e.g. "what have you been up to?" or "What did u get up to today?", my one: "What monkey business did u get up to today?". dont use questions like "wats up hun?", thats a closed-ended question which the girl would simply answer and she wont give u much material to work on in order to reach the hook point.

and connect on her answers in a positive way. dont be afraid to tease her as well. dont be afraid to create impact. when telling a girl about a situation that happened to u on that day or in the week, give more details about it, women love details. it is also good to read the local news paper, women are usually very aware what happens in the world, u should as well. u can get her point of view on something in the news (nothing to do with which celebrity had sex with who) e.g. political, environmental, sociological etc and then she would ask you what u think and you can manipulate the conversation which can lead anywhere u want.

another way u can have an "endless conversation" is the principle of "Question, statement, Question, statement, Q, S, Q, S etc". so u ask an open question, receive the answer, and then make a statement about the last thing she said in order to ask a deeper question. this process can go round in a circle, it can go on for ages.

after you have the girl attracted to you and built rapport, here's how to make sure that you can get a definite number close and afterwards ensure a date in the future.

the way to ask a girl out is by 'offering' not asking permission, never ask "Do you want to go out tonight?" or "will you go out with me?" or "so what time are you free tomorrow?". They are all questions which AFCs do. they make a guy sound needy, desperate, dependent on doing something with her.

so before offering a date, let her know how busy and sociable you are. girls want guys who are difficult to get. usually in rapport with girls, to make sure she does not flake on u after the first meeting, there's a pua principle called 'seeding'. this is when u in plant an invitation in the conversation with her but u havent actually invited her. for example, you could say that "im thinking of going to this really cool bar sometime next week which i heard about". now usually when a guy mentions to a girl about going to a bar, club or party that u know, the girl will always expects the guy to automatically invite her. but what you would do is just to mention the party or the bar and continue on the conversation. this will catch the girl off guard and the girl will be thinking "hey, this guy is pretty cool (depending on the attraction and rapport), but he has just mentioned this party but why is he not asking me out?". she will think this and will be more compelled and desperate for you to ask her and she realises that she needs to work in order to get the invitation. women want to go to things that are hard to get into, exclusive and even more if they are told they cant go. people always want to go to things when they have been told they cant go. sounds so forbiden and interesting.

dont be in the position to be waiting for a girl to call you, women are lazy or busy but definitely unreliable. you make the contact. but when u contact, dont sound like you are too eager to see her, bad sign to show that ur desperate. in between texting a girl, act like u dont care if she ever replies back. i know it sounds crazy, but it does not feel good waiting, checking ur phone every so often seeing if the girl replies. have the frame of mind that u dont care about a reply, then u will feel less anxious, and more focused on ur game.

Hope that i have helped. happy gaming dude ;-)


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:13 pm 
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I usually go with indirect game at night but recently I have been having some success with direct game at daytime and thought that I should try out direct version of game at night. Yesterday night, I went with my friends to a bar. We enter the place and I saw this two set (HB5 and HB8) sitting on the other end. So, I went over to them and opened HB5 and said, "I know this is random but I think your friend over here (looking into eyes of HB8) is absolutely fuckin gorgeous. I had to come and meet you guys". HB5 said yes she is cute blah blah and HB8 started blushing. I said agreed that she was gorgeous but beauty is not the only thing important for me. Is she (Looking at HB8 and hands on shoulders of HB5) a smart girl? HB5 started laughing and said yes she is....too smart for you (first shit test I guess). I replied ok lets find out and asked HB8 to show me her hands (wanted to get into palm reading and ESP routine to tease her later how goofy she is actually). Well HB8 resisted and didn't show her hands. Since she failed compliance I was about to throw the light IOD but before I opened up my mouth, HB5 said she has a boyfriend (another shit test).....I thought whats their problem. (In my experience usually HB9/10 gives you about average of two/three shit tests ). I decided to eject and find more targets rather than getting shit tests for HB8. Did I do something wrong? what strategy should I have gone with ?

My question to you guys is how can I tackle the BF shit test in a better way? Any canned replies. I would also appreciate if you can critique my game above and highlight somethings which I need to work upon.
They weren't shit tests. I'm going to sound harsh, but here's what I think...

You were coming across as weird from the start. The first line was ok, but the rest was weird, the looking into the HB8's eyes and asking her friend if she was smart made it awkward. You made it more awkward by asking the girl to give you her hands (by the way, using palm reading and ESP to pick girls up is fucking weird)the HB5 could tell that you were making the HB8 really uncomfortable and that she wasn't interested in you, so she decided to tell you that she had a boyfriend.

I disagree with mickey too... AFCs don't do direct game, they still mainly do indirect game. If they do actually go direct they've normally had about 10 pints and can hardly get their words out. You don't need any of this DHV bollocks. Agree with the idea that you should use less canned material.

Basically you just need to open direct and not be weird. Addressing the friend was good, but you should have just addressed both of them. Have a normal conversation, no using teases or palm reading or any of that shit.


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They weren't shit tests. I'm going to sound harsh, but here's what I think...

You were coming across as weird from the start. The first line was ok, but the rest was weird, the looking into the HB8's eyes and asking her friend if she was smart made it awkward. You made it more awkward by asking the girl to give you her hands (by the way, using palm reading and ESP to pick girls up is fucking weird)the HB5 could tell that you were making the HB8 really uncomfortable and that she wasn't interested in you, so she decided to tell you that she had a boyfriend.

I disagree with mickey too... AFCs don't do direct game, they still mainly do indirect game. If they do actually go direct they've normally had about 10 pints and can hardly get their words out. You don't need any of this DHV bollocks. Agree with the idea that you should use less canned material.

Basically you just need to open direct and not be weird. Addressing the friend was good, but you should have just addressed both of them. Have a normal conversation, no using teases or palm reading or any of that shit.
Concur.

Also, saying "I have a boyfriend" is not necessarily a shit test. Maybe she actually did?

Anyway, going direct is fine in a club, and opening the friend is the right way to go, but after you delivered your opening line, why not just introduce yourself to the target and to the friend, and then address the target and just have a normal conversation?

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U went into rapport when the buying temperature wasent high enough. N u failed the shit test.. u should have went cocky funny.. "well see about that" is just indirect rapport seeking.

For direct game u have to really deliver.. u have to really not need rapport, really be witty and cocky, really be confident and really be socially intelligent cuz ur on the radar & their scrutinizing u even harder cuz they know ur motive.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:34 am 
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Better yet.. when she said too smart for you, you could have said (semi sarcastic tone)"too smart for me? Oh really? So were u some kind of nerd in school n now u think ur cool cuz u got cute?"

Cocky funny, reframe, bt pump & it sets u up for qualification/rapport.


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