A girl from about 2 and a half years ago suddenly popped back on the radar. We knew eachother in highschool and were not realy close friends but friends non the less. She sent me a text and we texted through the evening, and I just got off the phone with her. My phone game is not realy strong and this goes double when it comes to gamming from the start and I tried my best to DHV. The thing is though I couldn't realy build atraction over a phone so I kinda started in comfort. She got into some emotional stuff and stress topics and I did my best to divert from this, but I feel that im slipping into LJBF zone. We are both intrested in meeting and catching up, nothing solid but its definatly a possibility. I need some advice on damage control with my phone game and advice on turning her from old friends to a relationship and any aproppriat venues to meet up at that won't expose my intentions, but definatly give me opportunity.

For future reference, nice guys who get LJBF'd always start in comfort. NEVER do this! I don't really have any advice for you other than negging, DHV, C & F, and teasing her. You know... the usual. If you feel that isn't working, then forget about her and move on.

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they only way i know of to get out of the LJBF zone is to create sexual tension. this is the only surefire way to pull yourself out of that zone

I've been stuck in the LJBF zone the past 2 and a half years with a girl I went out with for a couple weeks before she moved away. She was a massive oneitis for a long time, then I stopped talking to her and thinking about her for several months and then we got back in touch. She's a good friend, but she's my dream girl and I still have a bit of lingering oneitis, although I don't think about her all day long like I used to, now its just when I talk to her.

You can't come on to her. Every time you insinuate something sexual, it has about a 90% chance of failure, so just don't. What you need to do is get HER to insinuate things. You say stuff that could be a double entendre(sp) but in a way that she knows that you weren't thinking like that and if you've built the mood right, she will say something suggestive in return. Also, you need to act dissinterested in her except as a friend, because that's how you sneak in under the radar, then you make the sexual tension so thick you need a steak knife to cut it. Don't openly dis other guys, but you can set it up so that she does and demonstrate that you're not like that. Tease her into DHVing to you. Yesterday I was talking with that girl and she said something about wanting too cook more beef because all she eats is chicken, so I suggested Hamburger Helper, she said that that wasn't real beef and so I suggested rib eye steaks:

HB: rib eye steaks are expensive
HB: i can make delicious sauce and noodles myself:P
Me: depends where you get them from
Me: i don't believe you. i think you always eat KD and hot dogs and tell me that you're a good cook but never show me, so that you can keep pretending
HB: do you like pasta?
Me: very much
HB: well then i can make you pasta
HB: with my homemade pasta sauce:P
Me: you've tricked me into thinking you were going to impress me with your cooking before
HB: the trick is to go somewhere where i can make you dinner
HB: like MY HOUSE:P
Me: you have never me to your house aside from years ago and you never cooked then either
HB: well then we should change that
Me: i could probably live with that...if dinner doesn't kill me first

So, I didn't ask for anything, I didn't insinuate anything because I basically told her that I don't believe that its ever gonna happen (which works just as well with sex and kissing) and so she wants to prove me wrong and invites me over. Unfortunately she lives hundreds of miles away, but I'll be there for christmas and will see her for an afternoon or two and she's going to make me dinner there at her place, so I'm halfway there. Then, because I think every time I have seen her she is wearing jeans and a tshirt and she sent me some pics from her trip to Europe and is wearing dresses in them:

Me: so like i said, i like your pics
Me: but you're wearing a dress next time we hang out
Me: i kinda like that brown one
HB: lol
Me: i take laugher as compliance
HB: sure
HB: i'll wear skirt, it's a bit cold for dresses
Me: we'll be inside
Me: and if we're outside you can wear a coat, or i'll keep ya warm
Me: i'm hot blooded remember (I've got a higher body temp than average usually)
HB: lol
HB: right

If she protests later, then I'll just say the same thing and get her dressed as I want to impress me and have her cook to impress me and keep the sexual tension up (it was high when I was a complete AFC) and hopefully I get somewhere. The most important thing to remember in this situation, more than anything else, is that you are the prize and if it isn't working, don't try harder, don't worry over it, because if you do, you will lose. She is just another girl and no matter how much you like her, there are always others. She can tell whether you feel that way or not and will work to get your attention if you don't care.

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Key words are right here folks.

PRESELECTION!
hopefully that story helps u

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so mih fuck her to d MAX!

do you really want to know the best way to do this is get her drunk and close. HAHA what you should do is talk about sexual exprience with girls you had before. GET THE SEXUAL TENSION UP! then you make her talk about hers! then you go in for a kiss and pull back then go for the f close. Make sure to get her how do you say it, well i dont know just get her really really turn on. since you guys are friend you guys should be able to talk about sex. Hey maybe you can help me out on something i cant get this shit out of my head. This girl i use to date ............ talk about sex!

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Worst advice ever. Take this advice if you possible want rape charges filed against you. Otherwise, I would suggest not following this path.

i was trying to be funny now REALLY READ WHAT I HAD TO SAY. and dont ever say i give bad advice

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Not helping, sheesh you rapist you. j/k

Disclaimer : I may or may not have edited the quotes.

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I read what you said and I found it very AFC. Its just not gonna work unless she is already interested. Talking about sex with someone that isn't interested in having it with you may turn them on, but not on to you. They have already decided that you aren't a target, so they stop being attracted to you unless you manage to get them to become attracted by ignoring them and negging and DHVing.

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test out what i said and if it fails then i will stop giving advice in some extend. I had did problem before and it WORKS. even if she say NO it means she saying YES. remember all you need to do is find the trigger. She will see you as a guy she cant resist and here is her chance to close with you that you guys couldnt had before.

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Good shit guys, I definatly love the idea of getting her to impress me, and I suppose if it fails atleast I might get a pivot out of it.

Read this bro

I have not found ANYWHERE in the community that provides a better explanation on this.

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Ratio theroy...

ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME. look i love the pua tactics and stuff ray lee is saying, but if this guys just wants to bang her id do a combination of ray lee and artist. its going to take way too long to do it ray lee's way. getting yourself out of the friend zone inch by inch causes frustration. plus one wrong thing said and her attraction switch is off.

tease her, make yourself the prize, tell her she cant have you, then get her drunk and talk about sex. Ray lee your wrong, chicks love to talk about sex exp if shes your friend. chicks will talk about sex with anyone their comfortable with. so build about an 1 to 2 hours of attraction and get her drunk in the comfort phase. your not gonna be prosocuted for rape if shes intoxicated. and it shouldnt be an issue if your not forcing yourself on her. plus if shes your friend you know even better what shes capable of.

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