Looks for guys are little bit overrated. I'm not saying that good looks doesn't help but I really think having a solid game is much better.

Looks are just part of the attraction. If you could connect with the girl in other levels you can get her. You just need to work on these other aspect.

how can you tell if you are attractive as a man or not?

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Schneider man,
Schneider man,
does whatever a schneider man does

Have you seen what Mystery and Style look like? HAHAHAHA

The good thing for us is women are attracted to different values than what we men are. Learn to hit those attraction switches my friend.


I strongly suggest material to work on your inner game. That is the problem here, NOT your looks.

join www.hotornot.com

post up a couple of pictures, they will get rated and you should know where you stand

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I'd rather go out swinging than strike out looking.
A lifestyle is a terrible thing to waste.
What I say when I see her is what I'll say.

www.hotornot.com is a site for females who need an ego boost its only really beneficial to female and male models

Any normal guy on there is just pathetic and desperate. There's is no point if the girls are giving you high ratings because u have no clue who they are. Its just an empty high for gorgeous people or a path way to suicide for ugly people. Ugly guys and girls shouldn't be on there in the 1st if they can't handle the truth most them are on there because they have self esteem issues.

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Effort surpasses Talent, but of course I already have Talent I'm just putting Effort on Top of that

i dont agree with you there, you make valid points, but the guys asking how do you know what you are rated, thats the easiest way, and maybe its better you dont know whos rating you because if you go up to random chicks and ask, thats going to impact you more than an anonymous rater

also, i am not a male model, if i rated myself i'd give myself an 8, apparently according to my pictures im a 9.4....i do think that is a little high but according to the number of people who voted, it seems just...and to throw the number out there i have been rated by 134 people

but i dont take it too seriously, thats like .00000015 the the population thinks of me, now how i act on it is different, it is a motivational boost to know that other think you are good looking, but without confidence in yourself, looks mean nothing

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I'd rather go out swinging than strike out looking.
A lifestyle is a terrible thing to waste.
What I say when I see her is what I'll say.

First off, you should never see yourself as unattractive. Learn to like who you are, and if there's something about your physical appearance that you don't like....change it. If you don't like your hair, change your hairstyle. If you have acne, get proactive. If you don't like your style of dress, get new clothes- they don't have to be expensive, but whatever to accomplish the style you're going for. Keep working out at the gym....it's good for you. Do whatever it takes in order for you to stop seeing yourself as unattractive. If you have a negative image of yourself, then other people will have a negative image of you. You mentioned that you're no Brad Pitt...so what. Brad Pitt pulled Angelina Jolie, but before that she was with old ass Billy Bob Thornton. Why do you think that is?

Secondly, it's good that you're focusing on other things that better you as a person, but don't expect women to fall at your feet because of those things. There's really no getting around it....you have to approach women if you want to get one. Besides, women aren't as superficial as us guys, so looks and assets aren't really major determining factors in hooking up with you. It's all about your game, my friend.

Hope I helped. Be easy.

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Bdot

Well to merely elaborate on doc's post.

When you figure physical attraction is for the most part, based on social programming (magazines, TV, "the beautiful people" etc.) all perception can be altered, the ugliest (imo) but most social guys out there are getting laid more than the shy good looking (imo) guys.

Although if you look like Quasimodo or the Elephant man, you should probably get that fixed... or call it a wrap.

damn, feeling like you are unattractive all the time is a real pain in the ass, and I hate the fact that anyone male or female has to endure this social pressure. Firstly, theardstarter, find the great things about yourself and build up your confidence about those, and then go out get the hot babes.

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i lust for jessica alba, but now since she is preggers. I am lusting for Nicole!!! It's New Year's Day. It was Ben Franklin who said, "Be always at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors, and let each new year find you a better man."

hotornot.com isn't a correct gauge to judge looks either. Here is the process of a guy scoring on hotornot.com


hot babe- zomg she's a 10
so so babe- zomg she's a 9
hot babe zomg she's a 10
dude- omg a fucking dude -1
hot babe- zomg she's a 10


So, shit like that isn't realistic nor something to go by. You could be a top model and still get a 4 rating because of the sincerity of the voters on that place.

Ive been told several time in not 'hot' or that im a '6-7' by many of my targets.

Guess what that makes me feel?


CONFIDENCE!
I have a reasonable amount of sucess, im not claiming mPUA here i do have major sticking points and years ahead of me But it gives me confidence to know im closing 9's when im regarded as 'not that attractive'

You should do this too. Im blessed not to be particularly ugly, but your only 'ugly' if you let yourself be ugly!

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Ratio theroy...

An interesting question. He certainly wasn't attractive before his image change, but I don't think he's unnattractive now, I can see how women would like his look...

I gotta agree with chikito Im blessed not to be particularly ugly, but your only 'ugly' if you let yourself be ugly!

This is just my personal opinion... from my last 3weeks that I have transistioned from being a TOTAL AFC to being a beginner PUA...

I m a average lookin guy... 6"1', 160lbs and slim build not even that muscular... but hey... as others said here...that Inner Game matters a lot... and I would have to agree with that... because once I started fixing it...

I #closed HB8 at a subway restaurant just couple days ago... even when I wasnt dressed or groomed that properly... I was dressed like I had just woke up...haha ... had sweatpants on and a hoody... and still closed it cuz I was confident was interacting with ppl...and had a smile on my face haha..

Just some personal experience that I thought should share to help you out here...

So dont go around cryin that u r ugly...

To answer this question, please check out this link:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/200 ... WntKEDW7oF

It's astonishing but surveys and studies have shown up in this link, which is a yahoo news, that women are honestly not so much attracted to looks...Mystery and Style are absolutely proven right by this article. Check it out, print it out and re-read it 1000x if you are having inner game problems with your looks or confidence...

I know this is an extremely late reply.

But seriously, consider these:
Who has the power in your interactions? - and is this how you want it?
What do you think your inner beliefs are projecting onto these people you approach?

Now... two situations....

You are great looking (say 8 - 10) and you go up to a girl and say something cocky and funny, Your ultimately treading a fine line of looking like a complete arrogant prick, and negs that are far to weak...

This is where you get a lot more freedom...

Now you are less than a dream (say 0 - 6) and you go up, you can use this to make the most outrageous negs etc, perhaps you could even use that in your opener, opinion opener on whether girls like these hollywood wanabe clones or authentic guys... I have no idea man... but you can use it, and i'm sure that some people here will be able to help you with that...

good looking people with confidence are common, and their confidence is often from their looks...
if you are not and you still have confidence, you can provide something totally different, she'll want to find out why you are so confident... I think this is why Style and alot of those MPUA's are so damned dangerous...