There is a balance between being mean(asshole) and nice(AFC)
The whole universe is balanced. you must balance out these to things when
you talk to girl grasshoppa.. LOL



logical and illogical thinking with women: By bandito


There is a fine communication balance in interacting with women.
These two things are...


Logical Illogical

dont get what im saying? please keep reading.

When you communicate with a women, is what your talking about, logical? or illogical?
In your past experiences, i want you to remember all the times that being logical with girls.
has gotten you NO WHERE! and when you finally became a PUA, being illogical has gotten results. so ill start explaining my theory...

My theory on the two.
Being logical.

To any man that has had trouble trying to get women, should know by know that
being logical with a girl is like shooting her, and his self in the foot.
Being logical is a form of being nice, needy, clingy... How so do you ask?

Think of logic, as being the nice, wussy, soft guy.
These points i breifly came up with are obvious to many men.

- Your always friendly.
Men think by being nice, they can win a girls heart by doing so.
But they don't understand that this is typical logic, that's in there brains.
Women instantly loose attraction because there LOGIC is predictable,
and therefore. there is no need to go on further with a potential relationship,
because they already know the outcome. you like her, she likes you. you two end up dating.
and done deal... BORING.

stop and think. if you were nice to a women enough where she liked you, and she dated you.
is that an accomplishment? FUCK NO! with the way modern women are today, they are programmed into social illogical machines. men are forced to evolve there social skills.


an AFC example is that you Tell her everything on your mind.(Which is Never interesting) Like in this text.

you: hey!
Her: hey
you: whats up
her: nothing you?
you: just sitting here typing away on PUA forums.
her: oh, cool
you: how are you?
her: great.....
you: will i miss you, we need to hang soon
her: sure. just call me

you call her and she blows you off, cause your such a boring prick.
thats how my convos always went. I WAS SUCH A BORING PRICK LOL.

Then you become illogical with her ass..
(this text convo was from last night,)
You: hello!
her: hey
you: i was thinking about you all day
her: ...really why
you: im gay
her: shut up no your not
you: im serous, i never even kissed a girl.
her: shuuut up.. lol
you: make me,
her: your the biggest liar ever!! and i will!
you: you touch me and youll turn gay to, then we can be together LOL
her: sounds good to me
you: lets get lunch tomorow, ill be hungary as fuck
her: my friend and i are going to the mall meet us there

Boom!! random things i said that didnt make sence ended up in success!


another example, You try to work out arguments using "logic" which drives her away.
everything you do she can predict because logic is common sence.
(think of you and your girl fighting. and you try to calm her down using logic.
LOL YOU WILL FAIL HORRIBLEY)


I dont need to explain further, AFC guys have the sign "Low Value"
tattooed on there forehead. Now.. enough about boring AFC talk.


Movin on, now... Think of illogic, as the bad boy, that gets all the girls.

This guy does everything the oppossite a nice guy would.
And he wins girls effortlessly. and he is flat out UNPREDICTABLE. Which is ATTRACTIVE
Some points explaing my theory further...

- In fact, He's a complete jerk.

He doesnt give shit, can care less about what people think about him,
in return he treats them like shit. The tables turn and people start liking HIM because of this.

PS: im not saying you can go out and go out of the way to be an asshole. but in general.

- Hes REAL, his emotions are solid. He thinks like hes the coolest person in the world.
its HIS reality that hes in control of, and if you want to be apart of it. you have to earn it.
Ladys will be chasing after him.

Anyways, enough about all the typical, asshole and AFC talk.

The point i am making here is that, Being logical SOCIALLY is boring, and leads no where.
Being illogical is what gives people INTEREST. you are unpredictable to how you act.
Sometimes in certain situations you will be happy or mad. UNPREDICTABLY

when you have this, girls will try and figure you out, and will feel attraction.
because there goal is to know how you think. and control your outcome.

Now, im not saying that you should just start think illogical, get all the girls, and your happy forever.
you have to make is your lifestyle, Being badass takes time LOL!!

When you go out trying to be an asshole, that right there is logical thinking.
you say to youself... Ok, if girls want me to be an asshole. ill be one. Then you go out, and crash and burn.
You have to learn how to be illogical in most situations in simple trying and doing it.

Iv find out, when talking to a girl about anything, the more you disaggree with her, the more you spark the convo.

Example..

Her: lets go to subway im hungery?
you: fuuck! no! that place sucks lets go to mcdoodles LOL
her: i hate that place
you: its good for you.
her: ewww no its not!

Then you get there, and decide you want to go to subway instead.
so then you leave and you playfully bitch about going to subway, she will feel so much attraction when you do this,
Your being so unpredictable its like an adventure, she may say things like,

you never make up your mind on anything. what im i going to do with you.
you just smile. and ignore what she said.

I always make every situation with a girl like this one.
It just makes things FUN! she loves it.

So to all the AFC's out there that arnt having success, i want you to look at yourself's and think about
how logical you are with women, and you will notice what im talking about it relevant to your unsuccess.

So you will go out tomorrow, go to a mall, and try and pickup girls. because you believe thats the only way your going to better yourself.
Will sadly, thatch logical.


Try going out and instead of picking up girls, go out and try to pick up guys. LOL NO HOMO.
make friends with doods 1st, im not saying get there number. just meet them, ask them shit, about there names.

IF YOU CANT MAKE FRIENDS WITH GUYS HOW THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE FRIENDS WITH GIRLS?!?!?
i'm a terrible writer, I hope everyone got what i am saying, now.. I'm going to play cartown now.

I would say, social scripts are boring. As you say, they're predictable. They also introduce stress, such as, "Am I adequately explaining my career prospects in the manner that is deemed acceptable by society?" "Have I fulfilled all obligatory rituals of not coming on too strong, not trying to fuck her, not sexually harassing her, and all other considerations that might offend her or make me wind up in a court of law?"

I would also say that some women aren't bright enough to follow logic. Intellectual logic actually turns on women who can actually think, but you need to know who you're dealing with, and you need to let her participate in the logic games.

Logic is often asexual. It strongly engages the analytical portions of the brain, not the sensual portions. Most cavemen did not recite equations to each other as part of their mating rituals.

Logical people often drone on and on and on because they're obsessed with specifying every single detail about what they're telling. It's very important to a logically minded person that all axioms are explained and all cases and arguments are advanced and well supported. This is boring because it takes forever and doesn't give the person on the other side of the conversation much of any chance to respond.

Engaging creativity rather than logic gives people more opportunity to get off the social scripts. Suddenly everyone's 5 years old again making up stuff that's happening to action figures in tree forts.

Being logical predictable is one of the most AFC things you can be, and social scripts are really boring. I'd say it's really fun and easy-going to be illogical; all the same, you might need to intersperse a bit of logic here and there. The thing is that, if you're illogical 100% of the time, the fact that you're going to be illogical becomes a predictable fact in itself. It's much better to be illogical most of the time, and slow down when you want to make the mood more serious (especially for LTRs)

When I was AFC I used to try and be logical, and nothing ever happened. But what I learned about PUA, it's to be completely different to what they expect of you.
Learn what works for you.

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I'm a lover, not a fighter.

This is a great post, thank you for writing it and sharing with us.

Secretly I've always known this. However, it's good for someone like you to come up and address the issue and force me to take a closer look at it. I'm gonna try gearing my conversations with women in this direction from now on.

Being normal isn't a balance between 2 ego driven behaviors. Being normal is just being normal.
Now listen...
If you want to make the conversation interesting and you are talking with girls that are smarter than monkeys, your jokes/observations/etc must be not only logical but also intelligent. So they must be more than logical, not less.

I disagree. I'm a brainiac. To the degree that I've had consistent success with spontaneous humor, it's usually because the humor is imaginative, not logical.

You want girl you approach girl (logical)
You smile (logical)
You change conversation with confidence to a rapport building subject (logical)
Kino steadily communicating confidence and sexual vibes (logical)
Give plausable reason for the two of you to go back to yours (logical)
Fuck and have a great time (logical)

Women/People behave in a very logical and predictable way, the real issue in pick up is not playing this-way-or-that to other people but in understanding how to play yourself via understanding the way you come across to people.

Then again alot of the people like the O.P. here find women and other social phenomenon to be illogical thanks to years of social retardation that has left them unable to understand most human interactions. At least for now.

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When we are faced by something illogical, our initial response is confusion, in alot of situations often this generates anxiety.

Think about this seriously, do you want the girl to feel anxious and confused when with you, or relaxed and turned on?

Surrealist humour is fine as long as your not going to bazuka her with that shit all night. Be ready to come down to earth and be sensible about it all. And say, "Hey, let's head back to mine"

asking a girl out? (logical)
going on a date(logical)
saying i like/love you(logical)
going out and trusting each other(logical)

pretty easy finding logical reasons?
now how would you go about doing all those things while keeping attraction?
you have to make it fun, not some predictable game where you and her know the
outcome.

i forgot to add this i think,

there is a balance to being illogical, and logical.
im not saying to be nothing but illogical now.

Just about everything we do is logical - all our actions have reasoning. But you can be illogical to the social norm (or AFC norm) by logically saying odd or interesting things like your example earlier

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Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small people - Muhammad Ali

Wait, she is coming back with me, I'm an athlete and have the body of one, I'm cultured, confident, intellegent and sexual.

If you're a girl and going back with that guy to fuck isn't fun then, shit, we're all in a rut.

Absolutly nothing wrong with predictability, as long as it is predicatbly fun for everyone involved.

If I guaranteed you a brand new ferrari if you shook my hand, are you honestly going to reject that because it's too predictable?

I think it's not so much about being illogical, it's about being creative.

Creativity is like a hot body/self confidence/power, it's attractive.