Interesting...she didn't call last night, as expected, but she just sent me a text message today at lunch. Said she couldn't call last night because she was at a concert, which I think is a lie. She's got two kids and I'm pretty sure she was home with the kids last night.

The AFC VM may not have run her off just yet. I'll maintain radio silence and see if she calls. Not even sure I want to see this one again if she acts like this. Don't appreciate the shit test at all.

I suspect she just wants an ego boost by me calling her again and that's why she sent the text message.

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Thats a scary message to be leaving somebody
This message says "I extremely emotionally unstable I may cause u physical harm"

She texted u because she didn't want to talk to you and she wanted to lower your anger level some. She got no reason to put herself in a posistion to be getting yelled at by a guy she barely knows

As far as the venue that she was so set on going to with her friend she probably just wanted to hang with her friend without you there for a while.
She couldn't freely talk with her friend with you there in her face all night(she probably couldn't wait for u go to the restroom so she could breathe)
She wasn't shit testing u when she was with that other guy. She just wanted to talk to that guy
You should have just gone to whatever bar/club you were planning on and just caught up with her later.

yeah I know your probably saying, "Well we didn't see eachother of a full week she should want to be around me." That's most guys logical thinking. Within that week she could've had sex with multiple guys your just one of the many.Don't ever make the mistake of thinking a girl is overly into u just because you had sex with her.

You have no say in what she does that a controlling tactic. If the girl respects you she's not going to carry on a 5-10min conversation with another guy while she's on a date with you.

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Right or wrong, that's the way I'm gonna handle it from now on. If a chick starts texting someone else while on a date with me, I'm gonna call her on it and set a ground rule. Remember that episode of the pickup artist where the guys all had to tell stories to the children? The lesson was, none of them set up any rules with the kids. They just let the kids do anything they wanted. Women want a man who'll take charge and call them on bullshit and set up rules.

The Leykis school of thought is to leave them in the restaurant or whatever if they so much as text someone while they're with you. Just get up and leave. Don't tell them you're leaving, just leave. I think that's extreme, but to each his own. There are plenty of women on this planet. No reason to let them play head games.

As for this chick, the first time I made out with her, I told her I hadn't ever kissed a woman with a tongue ring. She said it was her first time too, which suprised me. I think she said she'd had the tongue ring for 3 or 4 weeks at that point. I don't think she's fucking lots of guys, but you never know.

I think it's on. She intentionally avoided jumping through my hoop, which was to call between 9 & 10, but she showed her hand with a text today. She's still interested or she wouldn't have sent that text, I think. Her friends all knew about our plans for the Cowboys game, so by me saying I had already invited someone else, she's feeling a little insecure about whether or not she could have me if she wants me. And that really is the key to the entire thing...they only want what they can't have.

If she was dumping me, now she's not sure she was dumping because I withdrew the Cowboys invite. If she is dumping me, she wants me to return her text and then she'll screen my calls. Problem is, I'm not contacting her unless she initiates further contact.

I'll just keep quiet and if she initiates further contact fine. If not, I've got other options going on anyway.

I honestly think that to sit and pretend not to be bothered by a chick texting or flirting when she's out with you is a bad idea. I think you need to call her on it and let her know it's rude and it won't be tolerated. To each his own, I guess. There is no perfect system.

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Well I've had this happen with lesbians as competition. I really don't consider having g/f's I just enjoy life. So that being said you need to stop letting woman get to you. Once you get angry you give up everything, and woman love it! They found one of your buttons and believe me they are going to push it whenever they want. Take your anger to the gym, and take it out on the free weights! I was in a similar situation with girls so instead of getting mad I just go after other girls. I don't care if she finds someone else attractive it's only natural. I find plenty of women attractive and I hate the feeling of obligation to one person. I think it's personally bull shit society has put in our little heads so we get married, and stimulate the economy more. Now that being said if she doesn't care about you enough to treat you with the respect you deserve, find a women that does using the skills acquired by you in the field. My girl in whom I'm extremely fascinated by is bi-sexual and lesbians always try to play their games to get to her. I don't really care because I'm not obligated to her which intern makes me more interesting to her because I don't need her. Notice the word need, if you need her you will act accordingly..So stop needing her, and get her realize she needs you! Don't control her make her feel it!

Put it into perspective a little differently:

Suppose you invite a woman out with you for drinks with your friends. She drives to this place and then you leave her at the table with your friends and you start gaming another woman. If she leaves and goes home without even saying good bye, she'll have your attention. I mean, you HAD a good looking woman sitting right beside you and now all your friends are looking at you like you're a f-up. She called you on the innappropriate behavior. On the flip side, if she sits there and patiently waits for you to return, and pretends not to be bothered, you WILL lose respect for her. If she gets up and approaches another group of guys, you're gonna think she's a try hard. You KNOW she's just trying to do to you what you've done to her. On some level, you're still gonna lose respect for her.

I think calling someone on OBVIOUS bullshit is the way to handle this test. When a woman flirts with another man in your presence, she knows she's pulling some bullshit. I mean, you'd have to have the social skills of a toad to not realize this is HORRIBLE manners. Everyone on this planet would agree that flirting with other people when you've met someone out that you're dating...it's horrible manners plain and simple and 99.9% of the population would see it that way. If someone does something that rude to you and you don't call them on it, I think that's AFC and totally coward.

I say call them on it. Any other move is AFC in my opinion.

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Have you ever even read MM/MB/TG? First off, she wasn't on a "date" with you. Just just asked you to meet her AND HER FRIENDS at the pub. This was a......"hey, i'm hanging out with my friends, feel free to join US" and not a "come to the bar and hang with me" type of situation. You seemed needy and insecure and you STILL do with how you plan on approaching the situation in the future.

If she's on a 1 on 1 with you and is texting, guess what? Most likely you aren't interesting at all to her so step up your game. Calling her out the other night would have been wrong, and there would have been nothing wrong with saying bye to her either. I would have acted like I got the text, said bye to the girls and head over to her and told her I was jetting to go meet some other friends at another venue. I would have hugged her and kissed her on the cheek (maybe lips depending on the body language she carried) and left with a "i'll leave you two love birds alone...have a great night".

I don't know why you persist on doing things your AFC ways, and come to a PUA board and wonder why we tell you to do opposite of what you are doing. What gets me is how "emotional" you have gotten over this one chick after sleeping with her 1 time. Dude, that's the woman's job to freak out and get emotional, not the alpha males.

Again, if you really had options, this chick wouldn't even be worth posting about because you would have hit up the other ones. Hell, I can tell you are needy and clingy, so I imagine this woman can tell as she's seen how you act in real life.



There is the AFC way, and the PUA way. Decide which one you want to be apart of. Calling out women only associates bad feelings with you and she'll not want to hang with you. Fight fire with fire. She flirts, you go hit us a set and pull some chick. Two can play the game, and right now you are losing big time. Here is the current scoreboard for you

Team HB- 3
Team AFC- 0

Then you are in the wrong forums and have 0 concept of how the psychology behind this works. This forum is for PUAs or people that aspire to live life to its fullest, not to continue down the path that's hindered them their whole dating life. Good luck with life friend.

I'll keep you guys posted. We'll see how this plays out.

As for me being emotional, I was the night it happened. I don't know why. She played me and it worked. Fuck...I'm human.

Outside of that, I've not come off as needy with her at all. I'm certain of that.

You guys handle this rare shit test your way, I'll handle it mine. I expect to be treated with respect and if someone, women included, don't treat me with the respect, I'll call them on it.

BTW, your talking down to me saqcheck. Be cool. We're all learning this stuff together. Nobody is born knowing how to do this stuff. I love this forum and I'm glad you guys are here, but for now, I'll be handling this shit test my way. I'm gonna do this my way the next few times and see how it goes. I just don't see how telling a woman "I expect to be treated with respect and I will dump your ass if you try it again" is gonna get you blown out.

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Just explore the situation, and do what you feel is best for you. I wouldn't tell her anything just show it to her in your actions.