I just got back in from a date with a HB Latvian girl. My ideal outcome never happened, which was to go back to hers and bounce. She was such a high threshold girl. I met her on POF and within 10 minutes I said spontaneously lets go for a drink and she agreed. We met in one of Brightons trendiest bars. She came in dressed in tight blue jeans and a tight black top, in the flesh she was more beautiful than her pictures, however her energy on meeting was LOW-VERY LOW. I said I am getting a drink and asked her...(Slightly AFC, but if you do it dominantly and then hand her the drink but hold onto it until she laughs and then you say "manners young lady" and they normally say "thank you"). We sat in the corner of the deserted bar side by side. I needed to lift her energy, I started being funny then switching to comfort and back and forth. She began to open up, I tried a compliance test but, introducing a tiny bit of kino, she flinched a little - not good. I continue this cycle. I eventually find the right key to open her up. It turns out she is a VERY DEEP THINKER, and likes having deep intellectual conversations about philosophy and religion, I am pretty well read and start telling her about how reality it a story that we create and about inner confidence....She is hooked and goes into a trance like state, I start to slowly introduce a sexual frame. By breaking rapport every now again and commenting how mischievous her eyes are, the sexual tension is building you can almost feel it in the air. After about 30 minutes of talking deep I notice the conversation is starting to get more logical than emotional and she then says the words "I need to get home now". What did I do wrong I asked myself. I walked her home and I stumbled on the solution while I was walking her home. I FAILED TO DIMENSIONLISE MYSELF. Everything I told her were stories of preselection, leading, dominance and no soft stuff. As I put my arm around her I did a cold reading about how her bedroom would look. I get most of it right. Then without even thinking I said I still have my favourite soft toy near my bed which I have had since I have been a little boy. She melted and said that is so sweet. For the first time all night she genuinely thought of me as a "good guy" and not a player. I put this fuck up down to 3 things she was older than me and clearly stated she was looking for a man to settle down with, secondly she had massive player vibe due to my lack of calibration....(Although I did use Futures line of "my ex fiance" when I was story telling - it kind of worked), thirdly she was religious, god it a cock block (I even tried to use my religion destroyer). Does anyone have any tips for creating a 3D picture of yourself? that little story about my soft toy worked, but by then it was to late. Also does anyone have any tips on how to destroy player vibe?

Hmmm... 01jonny01 that sounds like an interesting problem. I too have fallen into the too smooth player category many times. I am new to the forum so I don't have the weight of prestige behind my advice, but I didn't see any other posts so here are my thoughts.

First, I think you're going to need more of a natural approach. Just like you realized, you "dimensionalized" yourself too late in the game and probably should have recalibrated much earlier to fit her conservative personality. But, with that recalibration you would have to change your approach drastically. You would need to slow things down, not be so witty, and appear far more vulnerable than you let on (the soft toy is a great example). Girls love to be the savior.

Second, you said she was looking for someone to settle down with. Well, that should tell you that any actions that make you look more attractive are going to raise her defenses. She's probably thinking, if he's this smooth around me, how many other women is he pitching this too. You probably should have approached it from more of a nice guy reformed bad boy angle. Talk to her about some of the mistakes you have made and how you have reframed into the wonderful charming gentleman you are today. [Yes, this is slightly underhanded (in fact, it's downright conniving) if this is not you. For me, this would probably be more accurate, the whole PU thing is just to accentuate my personality and expand my options. But, do you! I can't knock any man's game.

Lastly, you may want to continue connecting with her. If she wants to settle down as she says, then you probably just need to play it out and see where things lead. Women who want to settle down aren't in a rush to sleep with men, especially if she is as attractive as she sounds. She's mature and your going to have to calibrate your game to deal with that.

Okay, so these are just a few of my thoughts. I hope you might find some of the information useful.

Thanks for the advice Boheme I agree with you completely. I use the whole PU game to open up my options and appeal all different types of people, I mainly concentrate on my inner game, however sometimes I can come across a little to sure of myself. That said I am a sexual guy and love women and I flirt like mad and build attraction with girls all the time. I dont like to hide this aspect of my personality even if she did have a conservative outlook...it just isn't congruent with who I am. I try to be as honest with women as possible and dont give them false hopes.
I read a post ages ago about making yourself a little vulnerable by admitting your flaws and in turn this will build trust. The post gave examples of advertisements which admitted the products flaws, for example admitting that a car looked ugly actually increased sales and built customer trust. I think I will have to do a little of this, we are only human after all.
I was watching a Adam Lyons video the other day and he said build comfort first, then you can get away with negging and being sexual alot more once rapport and comfort has been established. I have never thought of it this way, I have always just assume attraction, but I am definitely going to try this in the night club situation.
Anyway I think the little soft toy line helped saved me, because the next day I received 3 messages off her, calling me Casanova and wanting to meet to watch a "movie" at her house...I am going to play it right this time and get that tight ass Latvian body to myself.

I thought I would update this post. Today I went on a day with HB8.7 (I have upgraded her a little bit because her body was that of an underwear model, simply perfect). I knew my mistakes from last time, and thanks to Boheme advice I was able to rectify the situation and lay her. I have just got home and I am covered in cum and her juices. I will tell you exactly how I did it. I still kept an air of mysteriousness, not letting on that I am a good boy, but not disqualifying myself as a player. We went to a little pub and I started sexual framing her, using principles that I have learnt from Kung fu penis.It goes something like this....


“You know what?.... I don’t know if we can do this” Or “you are really sexy but I cant do this” and push them away then Pull them back to a different identiy and say “I could if you were a little more naughty” –this redefines them sexually. I went one step further by saying "I could be naughty if you acted like a real Latvian woman and show me what you were made of".

However using this technique alone would still of left me with the Player vibe. To abolish this player vibe, I talked about my mum, my sister and was a absolute gentle man. For example I wouldnt let her walk on the outside of the pavement. I would go out my way to hold doors open, and pull chairs for her. This is an attraction switch - Protector of loved ones.

On the way home I was thinking that my game was tight. After all I crawled my way back from her thinking I was a player to her fucking the shit out of me for 3 hours.

I have called this technique the Player/Prince mode. The player bit consists of being C&F, mysteriousness, heavy sexual framing (using double binding techniques), push pull and being an overall flirt. Mixed with the Prince bit which consists of acting like a true gentleman by being chivalrous, and talking about loved ones like your mum and how close you are to her.

By being the player and the price you are flicking 2 attraction switches on. Player - Pre selection and Prince - Protector of loved ones.

I had a little LMR, but I knew she wasnt being serious when she crawled into bed with me and took her earrings off. Fuck I am still hard thinking abut her body....