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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:32 pm 
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BG music is too loud, can't make out what you're saying, bud. Oh, whoops, forgot my left speaker was blown out. Instant date is a great tool. You should definitely do this any time you're calling or texting a girl and she tells you she's not doing anything or has no plans. Immediately suggest getting together for an activity. If she's hemming and hawing, it shows that she's not that into you or the activity you suggested.

Going to a place you've never been is good ON PAPER, but you might end up feeling really uncomfortable and not looking very interesting. You might choose a place that's more interesting and energetic than you and this is suicide. I'd say the absolute best scenario is taking her to a place you know really well (and are well known) that she's never been before. If people regularly call to you and give you high-fives, the waiter/bartender is a good friend, you get massive social proof.

Anyway, there's no real LIE in Disney. When women want to be treated like princesses, even when they're just floor scrubbers, they'll find a good suave guy that worships them. When they want to be treated like a death row inmate's last meal, Disney doesn't cover that.

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I actually think the insta-date has a very much more limited use.

If you're doing daygame and it's around 4/5pm, and she's not doing anything later, then by all means go out and grab a coffee around 5, and maybe if you guys get on that can turn into a drink or something to eat around 6/7, and then you can take her back to your place.

However, what the fuck is the point of going immediately for lunch? The chances of pulling back to your place to close are incredibly low, and you kill all the mystery and intrigue you've created in your initial approach and 5-10 minute interaction before the n-close. Plus, you're spending time with the girl without the possibility of closing, when you could be out doing more sets and collecting more numbers.

I'd much prefer to wait, call her or text her and set up a day 2 in the evening on a weekday where there's the much higher chance that she'll dress sexy for me, shave her legs and be ready for a romantic encounter, and I have a much higher chance of taking her back to mine.


Secondly, mixing it up and being unique and interesting are really important. But that's not really the basis of the distinction between the badboy type she often falls for, and the nice guy type who never gets the girl.

The reason she's attracted to badboys is because they have the confidence to do and say whatever they want - they don't take her shit, are willing to break rapport by teasing her, are very confident and have a strong frame, and they treat her like a whore in the bedroom, which women LOVE. Unfortunately they treat her badly outside the bedroom, so they then crave the respect and appreciation of the nice guy. The problem with him is that he's too chicken shit to escalate, and tries to be so respectful that she just gets plain bored of him agreeing with her the whole time. If they do fuck, the sex is probably terrible because he isn't suddenly going to be dominant, aggressive and slap her ass whilst calling her his dirty little bitch, is he?

Reconciling the nice guy and the badboy to be her "perfect man" is therefore easy

Have your own ideas, goals, aspirations, desires and interests, and express them honestly, directly and with no apology to women in a passionate way. They don't have to agree with you about everything, but they will be very attracted to a man who does and says what HE believes, regardless of what others think. This especially goes for telling a woman from the outset that you are attracted to her and want to get to know her. Be willing to tease, flirt and banter with her. You tell her where to meet you, what to wear, and at what time. No woman wants to hear "what do YOU want to do?" It's not respectful, it's WEAK.

Outside the bedroom in the context of your interactions with her on a day to day basis, do be respectful of her desires and goals. Listen to her about those things that she's passionate about. Make her feel that you "get" her and that you share similar values. Don't be overprotective of her or forbid her from pursuing certain goals or meeting certain people, it will only make her resent you and see you as insecure (and want to do those 'forbidden' things more).

Inside the bedroom, treat her like a piece of property, like YOUR dirty little whore. She WANTS you to be dominant and aggressive and animalistic. That kind of raw passion and desire drives her WILD. Showing that you are driven wild with lust for HER turns her on. Don't be afraid about being "respectful." To respect her true desires (which she can NEVER verbalise for fear of being called a "slut") you MUST dominate her. Remember, women cannot be the sexual aggressors. They always need YOU to lead.

That's it.
1) Be true to your core values and never let anyone, including her, change that.
2) Outside the bedroom, in social situations, treat her with respect and dignity (but not obsequiousness)
3) Inside the bedroom, be the badboy and dominate her

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:06 pm 
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First, I wish to comment on the video.
I love it that, upon noticing these truths, men can give women what they truly covet. Being a man who is able to fulfill a woman completely, I love their expressions of true happiness when it seeps from their faces. It's very pleasing, and it is all thankful to being about to calibrate oneself to know when to be good and when to be bad ;-).

That being said, I want to comment on Blondguy's statements. I loved your analysis of what behaviors the bad boy exhibits. Of course, that kind of asshole does not know how to turn off being a bad boy, thereby causing the girl to want that nice guy (or want a guy to treat her better).

I completely agree with your statement of knowing how to project your being (desires, intentions, passions, etc.) to her. Being the unapologetic, honest, ambitious, lustful (etc.) man who takes the lead and know what he wants IS VERY ATTRACTIVE to females, especially the most beautiful women (those gems who are treated like princesses and know that men can be so fake).

I am even going to have to give it a try to treat a girl like a “piece of property” while I fuck her (even though I hold objections to such extreme behaviors). I am sure that you are being extreme here (on purpose) because this cannot be how you treat every girl you manage to fuck (I wonder?!?!). The reason I do not think that such practices would always work (or that every girl will simply allow it) is because some girls do not like to be dominated that much. I guess as long as you know which females to dominate and which not to dominate, you should be okay. Do not get me wrong though; I completely agree that you have to be more dominating than she is (even though I wonder if it would be fun to be dominated by a female).

I have to say that I have one problem with your post: You underestimate the value of the insta-date. Here is what you said:
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I actually think the insta-date has a very much more limited use.

If you're doing daygame and it's around 4/5pm, and she's not doing anything later, then by all means go out and grab a coffee around 5, and maybe if you guys get on that can turn into a drink or something to eat around 6/7, and then you can take her back to your place.

However, what the fuck is the point of going immediately for lunch? The chances of pulling back to your place to close are incredibly low, and you kill all the mystery and intrigue you've created in your initial approach and 5-10 minute interaction before the n-close. Plus, you're spending time with the girl without the possibility of closing, when you could be out doing more sets and collecting more numbers.
First off, you are working in the day-game realm, so let’s start there. You give an example where you clearly want the insta-date to lead into the bedroom (and you point to the problem of events actually happening like that; I agree that those chances are low). This argument to disvalue the insta-date is fallacious because it is a strawman form of arguing.

You make it look like the F-close is the only kind of close that matters when using an insta-date (and you should know that day game insta-dates and night game insta-dates have different degrees of success with leading into F-closes). You could always go for a light K-close (which will be a clear indication that flaking will be unlikely). Come on dude (!!!), ultimately F-closes IS what matters, but the insta-date allows for isolation that should make the seduction process (to F-close, for the simple-minded lol) so much smoother.

That is one side of it; the other benefit to insta-dating is that you lessen flaking drastically if you are able to intrigue her enough (which you can definitely do being the bad/good boy described in this video). You say that you would rather spend 5-10 minutes picking up other women than going on an insta-date (it is a waste of time to you, it seems). If that ultimately works for you, great! Nevertheless, I notice that having an insta-date (lasting even 20 minutes) gives the girl so much reason to want to hang out again.

And, blondguy, being as experienced as you are, you know that getting a #-close is only good if you end up seeing the girl. So I would rather have a solid connection by utilizing an insta-date than continuous pursing #-closes whereby the connection is not as strong (because of lack of time investment) and the changes of flaking are much higher. So continue “collecting more numbers,” while I insta-date my way into their hearts :-).

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instant date doesnt NOT equal better or deeper connection...it's that with some girls it's now or never, and also some girls dont mind getting a free coffee... there's no real or right solution, you just gotta follow your intuition.

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An instant date, in my experience, is ALWAYS better than being stuck in text messaging/phone call purgatory. I would much rather do something boring NOW than have the "possibility" of a perfect date later. Instant dates might not be ideal, but you'll find out real fast how much effort the girl is worth in the future.

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An instant date, in my experience, is ALWAYS better than being stuck in text messaging/phone call purgatory. I would much rather do something boring NOW than have the "possibility" of a perfect date later. Instant dates might not be ideal, but you'll find out real fast how much effort the girl is worth in the future.
Agree. ^^^

Try it out. What's the worst that could happen? You waste 5 minutes of your time? Damn. Im too busy for that. AAAAnyway... The instant date allows people the opportunity to part seperate ways. So, if anything... it offers more incentive to women so they dont have to sit through a full date with the potential d-bag she may think that you are.
Doubt is a big obstacle to overcome for any PUA. So bypass it and show her a fantastic few minutes of a first date and leave her wanting more. If your first impression is great, you can be sure she is answering your call LOL(for all those who ask me.. why didn't she call?)

Moral here is... hop in, get it done quick.. its also a fab. time distortion technique.. because you have not only met, but youve begun to earn a rapport with this girl.

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Seem like these recent youtube vids are marketed at a wbAFC target audience.

Nothing to see here.

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show her a fantastic few minutes ... and leave her wanting more. If your first impression is great, you can be sure she is answering your call
That's EXACTLY what I do with my approach in the first place. I show her I'm awesome, I find out a few things about her and tell her stuff about myself, and we talk about a day 2 and/or exchange numbers. I feel that my initial approach is unique and interesting enough that she'll remember me, but I retain that mystery about myself so she remains intrigued.

I only want to give away more about who I am and bother sitting down and getting to know her if I'm actually going to have the opportunity to get laid afterwards. I want her to show up and have made an effort to look sexy for me and be in the right mindset for flirting, getting to know each other, and getting sexual.

I do not see the point in having a coffee at lunchtime when she's in a rush, in her work clothes, distracted with her blackberry, and nothing's gonna happen after anyway. I'll have plenty of time to "build rapport" with her when we go on our proper DATE and we are both relaxed with a glass of wine.

If you feel you'd lose a girl who might be interested but isn't willing to meet up with you after the n-close, then you need to make sure your initial 5-10 minutes of interaction is solid, and you establish commonalities and build comfort and rapport right then.

@Lorenzo - I actually think going for a k-close will actually HURT your chances, rather than making her less likely to flake. I wait to kiss until she's back at mine. K-closing in a club, especially around her friends, is a great way to make her feel like she was being a slut with you and therefore try and avoid you in the future. I don't think it solidifies a number ONE BIT.

Secondly, I would say that over 90% of women absolutely LOVE being dominated. In the context of a mutually respectful relationship with a high self-esteem woman (who may well be a naturally dominant person in her daily life), then during sexual stimulation women LIKE being told what to do, being manhandled and restrained, being slapped on the ass, being told that their pussy is YOURS to fuck as YOU want, and that they are an animal, a dirty whore and a bitch. Of course, you have to work your way up to that (just like a kino escalation ladder, for example) but as you get there with increased stimulation, they will greatly enjoy it. Try it out for yourself!

I have made these points a few times recently, but would love to get any of the female posters' views about this. (Remember clearly girls - I said this is only for during sex. Outside of the bedroom, treat her with respect and never call her a bitch or a whore!)

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Fresh Prince has it for sure.

If there is an option for an instant date...Take it. Why not? It's better than just texting.

Totally agree Blondguy Kiss closing at hers is much better than taking it straight away most of the time...however...if she's going for it then it's worth doing it then. I won't rush to push before taking her home...but once she's home I'll make sure I get it.

In short, being a beast is about being an unapollagetic sexual being who is spontaneous and very comfortable being male. Without making her feel bad, feel used, or feel like you don't care at all.

Being the prince is all about making her feel special feel like she's unique, fun, and that the connection between the two of you is worth exploring.

This balance needs to be changed for different people, some girls want more of a beast others more of a charmer.

Once you have the perfect balance for the girl you're with she'll eat it up.

Too many guys try and say it's all this or all that. The truth is a balance is needed and for every girl it is different.


I've met girls who want to be fucked, used and never called. They don't even want to trade names.

I've met girls who if treated anything less than a princess like daddy does they close up and start freaking out, treat them like a princess and they'll fuck you for life.

Different girls, different games.

Learn the balance and get whoever you want.

Hope this helps.

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Of course, as AFC Adam sagaciously pointed out, your game should be tailored to the female, so different girl = different game. That is why this is rightly called PUA (Pick-Up Artist) and not PUS (Pick-up Scientist), because there is no 100% formula that works for every female. Most importantly, use whatever works for you to get the girls you desire.

For me, an insta-date works well, but that does not say that I push for it all the time. I notice that when the opportunity is available, taking it works wonders in the future interactions with the female. Yet what is most important is that you calibrate enough so that you know what works for you and the type of girls you are attracted to. . .

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