Good post bro, very nice

Most important thing - get her to STOP if she's walking past you, or go up to her when she's standing still, sitting down, etc. The opener will not work unless you've got her full attention. You CAN do this even if she's with a friend or two. It will look even MORE ballsy.

When you initially approach and say Hi, and then when you introduce yourself, you MUST SMILE. If you approach without smiling, you look like a possible interaction risk because she doesn't know you. Smiling indicates you are not a threat.


You: "Hi! I know this is a bit random, but I noticed you walking past and I think you look amazing, so I just had to come over and introduce myself"

Her: "Oh! That's really nice, thank you!"

You: "Hi, I'm ____" (shake her hand)

Her: "I'm _____"

You: "What are you up to today, _____ ?"

Her: "I'm on my way to psychology class"

You: "No way! Are you reading my mind RIGHT NOW! Shit, I'm thinking about some pretty kinky stuff involving you, so I hope not!"

Her: LOL! No I can't read minds

You: "Aw that's a shame. I actually have a pretty good ESP thing going. I'm guessing you're originally from...Botswana" (she is clearly blonde and white)

Her: LOL no! You're sooo wrong

You: "Hmm...I'm usually pretty good at this. JAPAN, must be Japan"

Her: haha no!

You: "Well, I'm gonna keep guessing retarded shit so you might as well just tell me"

Her: "I'm from _____"

You: "Oooh shit, you know what they say about girls from ____ . I think I'd better keep my distance"

Her: Haha what do they say?

You: "So you strike me as the adventurous type - I bet you did something crazy last weekend!"

Her: "well actually me and my friend went to........ etc, etc,"

You: "NO FUCKING WAY you're insane! Well listen, there's actually a place just round the corner from that bar you were in that does the most AMAZING ice cream. How about me, you, some gigantic banana split, two spoons, and a lot of flirting and sexual tension?

Her: "wow u r too much!"

You: "so is wednesday or thursday better for you"

Her: "ah, ok, thursday"

You: "awesome, let's exchange contact info now, and I'll see you there at 6!"



Now, this is severly cut down, and during the middle bit where she tells the story, you can add 5 minutes more of finding out stuff about her by asking questions about the story, telling one of your own, etc. But the basis is simple - open STRONG, keep the vibe fun and flirty, set up the day 2, and n-close.

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fa sho.. thanks for the last post. thats brilliant. It's something you really gotta try alot and not natural, atleast for me. so I am going out to a club tonight with my fraternity with another sorority. I only know a few girls since I am new. What type of openers will u use while DHV with this type of social scene? Probably a rookie move, but a couple nights ago at a party I would go to girls that were just standing around and say "Why are you being anti social? Too cool for us over here I see. " and then go from there. I know its lame, but hey it worked sometime and made the girls feel like they wanted to not be antisocial and talk with me or dance. But any advice you have for my first question would be great!

To newPUA and blondguy;

What blondguy is saying DID work, but what it really is, is a good example of what's possible, and that's how you should treat it.

newPUA you hit it spot on when you said it's something you got to try a lot, and not natural for you yet. However, what you said about "Why are you being antisocial?" etc. is gold.

It's too easy for someone helping to give a list of steps they went through that worked for them, and too easy for someone to think "if I do these steps I should get results" That's not what's important.

Maybe you've heard this a hundred times, but what's always going to be important is throwing yourself out there constantly. Actually I can't remember the last time I went out alone specifically to do this - I just do this in every day life and snap up opportunities, eg. shopping center, bus stop, girls I've known for a while, etc. I guess in recent times I've learned that the best moments in life are "opportunities" that come about, which you can't actually engineer, and you use all your skills to make the most of them. So I figure that's what day to day life is - opportunities. I've never specifically gone out to hit on girls.


And the aim is to get you used to talking to girls, and just learn constantly through experience to pay attention to their body language and face, learn not to be phased by what you think might be negative feedback, and even more importantly, focus on your OWN tone of voice and body language, eg. make sure you're moving gradually and not making jittery nervous movements.

If you're head is full of "What would be good to say?" or some list of steps to follow - that's a fucked up mindset to be in, you won't get anywhere.

For the longest time I would do really well with girls initially but eventually they'd stop talking to me quite soon, and it's only in recent months I've really been looking into it and had lots of feedback on my body language, particularly the way I talk and the way I walk (wow that sounds funny) and the way I text. I guess I paid attention to the way I sat, but not much else, the rest was happening on reflex.

I want to mention that because I just had no idea how much everything else was turning them off, so the point is leave no stone unturned and the best feedback you can get is someone you know who will give it to you straight, no matter how much it might hurt. You'd be surprised how much friends and family can hold out on you.

Now suddenly I'm getting so much positive feedback, in the form of girls doing kino on me (instead of the other way around) positive text messages about hanging out, etc. and these girls are HOT, and all the guys are chasing them. And they're paying attention to ME.

So if you feel like there's some big clue you're missing, there probably is, and you're going to have to leave no stone unturned. Your living area says a lot about you as well.

Went on a bit of a tangent - but the point is, those stories about other people's good experiences are great, read them, and let the "vibe" of it rub off in your mind, don't try to follow any set of steps.

The bottom line is its your state of mind which will cause awesome conversations to happen, ones that no one else can replicate. Think back to any good conversation you had with a girl, undoubtedly you will not remember thinking of some step by step process, it was because you were just in the moment and positive. A good sign that you were "in the moment" is that you can't actually remember exactly what you did or said in great detail! You're fully aware of it at the time, but when you go to tell someone exactly what you did, the details are sketchy!

I have to agree this works, but it can be hard to put into practice. I had a period in Aug/Sep '09 when I went direct and got the number just about every time. I had specific locations I was comfortable with, though, and girls were always sitting down outside. Things are so much more dynamic on the street, that's what I'm struggling with right now. The hardest part is getting the full attention of a girl on the street.

How You say It

I think people have more confidence in the technique so it works. People seem to forget how you say things changes the entire context of what it means.

Perfect example you might jokingly say "Fuck You" to a friend. Now say you are at the bar and some dude gets in your face and you say "Fuck You", there will be an entirely different message sent and received. Why, you said the same thing right? This is a broad example but the point was simple and that is to prove your body language changes everything.

Walking up like a frail kid, "You are hot, let's talk" won't work. Walking up and saying "You are hot, let's talk" like a man will be different, she will react to the change in body language, not the words. Words however can add originality which is what the direct approach endorses. You are different, different is interesting, as long as it isn't threatening.

I have said some screwed up things to girls I have just met. Including

"You have to spread your legs further"(pool stance opening line)
"Do you think I am cute?", rebuttal "I'd fuck you"
"Can you stick your legs behind your head?"

The key to getting away with all of it was body language. It wasn't any other thing.

I'd say a lot of the power is in the relief it gives you. You are confident in your words because they are true. They are congruent with your body language. It isn't some magic about how direct opens up worlds. They help because the truth can be helpful, but being cryptic can be quite taking for most women.

I'd recommend paying very close attention to your body language, it matters far more then any words you are saying.

Confidence vs. Numbers Game

If you are able to walk up to any girl with a lack of intimidation and show confidence in a bold statement you will find some success, however to me this seems to be a numbers move. If she isn't interested move on, this is the exact problem with it. If this is the case play the "want to fuck game?" To me you are just the same as any of my friends that walk up to a bunch of girls saying some line until you find success. Do you see my problem with such a statement?

Walking up to them and starting a conversation with them is all the interest they need to know about. Show confidence, don't say it to a girl until you get a conversation started. Why do you need to walk up and say you are beautiful, hot, gorgeous, etc. "we should talk"? As far as I'm concerned the very fact that I approached her shows all the interest she needs to see.

Complimenting Outside of Looks

I am a big fan of complimenting, I do it because people feel good when you compliment them. One thing I have found out is when you compliment a woman's aesthetics it makes you seem as if you are interested in them purely because of their looks. While that maybe true for some of you girls prefer not to be thought of that way. In more then one case I complimented a woman's eyes and she looked at me and was completely turned off by the compliment. Why? Because I wasn't complimenting her as a person, I was complimenting her aesthetics.

Now I compliment people's style: clothes, glasses, shoes, jewelry, hair, shirt, etc. You compliment her choices. Things she decides on. Us guys we operate differently, if a girl walks up and say "you are hot let's talk" we are more then we are happy to do so. We slate fertility and maternity on looks and nothing else. This is how we choose a good mate.

You are Hot

A girl doesn't want to be limited to her looks, we (men) see looks as representing fertility, in this day and age looks isn't a sign of an attractive mate(men) for women. So they can't understand the limitation to their looks, they don't see things the same as us just as we don't see the same things as them.

An attractive male mate can have one of several things to give him Sex Appeal, including intelligence, body language, personality, money, looks, materialistic stuff. In short women are attracted to someone who would make a good father because they can take care of them and kids. It isn't something they can take out of their subconscious evaluation of you.

So when you say oh you'd be a good mate and you select her as a physical specimen(how she may feel) that maybe quite offensive when they take so much more into consideration and she was nothing more then a pretty painting. It is perspective. We know what is attractive from a mating standpoint subconsciously, men look for fertility(value by looks), women look for paternity(long term mate).

Indirectly Direct

If you walk up to a girl and say "I like your style and I just wanted to come up and introduce myself?" Then you truly take the standpoint of complimenting her for the person she chose to be. On top of that you were bold, and the very fact that you introduced yourself shows a sign of confidence.

I've walked up to girls and said "Hi, My name is bla, I just wanted introduce myself" You know how charming that was to them? They loved it. It showed class and interest. They immediately introduced herself and started talking. Started showing attraction signals.

This to me was perfect. Somethings are known and don't need to be said. In fact sometimes stating things can be crippling to your situation. Saying less can do so much more. You ever see a poker player admit his hand? Not a good one.

Limits With Direct

My other problem with going the direct route is you are limiting the type of girl you will get. Only certain types of girls will appreciate that approach. If you just want to go fuck girl after girl with the same traits that maybe fine.

You will keep impressing the same types of girls over and over again. There are some girls that don't find forward to be good, and most enjoy the Game we call courtship. That is why we have played it for so long.

A vacuum sells man doesn't walk up and say "you want to buy a 600 dollar vacuum?"

Britannica sells men doesn't ask for $2000 dollars for books.

Even when someone is buying a car they don't say "oh k pretty car, well you owe us $15,000 after buying the car?"

How many sells do you think these guys get? It certainly ain't above average. What do you think pick up is? Selling YOURSELF!

There is something to be said about tact, sure you can ask every girl "you want to fuck?" and eventually catch a bite. Seriously you can try it it will work. This is merely a numbers game. Nothing more. It is the same thing as "You are pretty/hot/gorgeous/beautiful, I am bla, can we talk".

Direct is fun, no doubt. However, it closes windows. There is something to be said about tact. Your body language legitimately opens up a huge amount of statements you can use, the problem is not everyone has the correct body language to get away with this tact.

Direct will work but for me it's limitations include impressing the same types of girls, girls in certain moods will not accept this at all, and playing a numbers game(which the same as anything else).

Long ass post... Sorry

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i agree with this method to an extent. I dont really see it working with ugly guys so much.

Don't be so sure, she will see your attitude and give you a chance to see what you're all about, and when you are friendly and fun, this has value, and girls start to justify that you actually are attractive.

Plus any guy, unless you have a physical deformity, has the chance to be physically attractive enough if he works out and learns to dress and style his hair, beard etc.

This is a really interesting post, how would one build up into it? Or just say "fuck-it" and grow some balls?

I may try this later...

You just do it, over and over again, focusing on how it doesn't matter so much what you say, it's how you appear with your tone of voice, body language etc.

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That is a fantastic post, I completely agree. When you hook up with a girl in the end it was because she liked the image you presented, she bought who you are(or who you pretended to be). I don't think any guy can hook any girl, that is just the truth, if a guy says that he is a liar. I don't try and change who I am so I understand the point you've made.

The difference between sales and pick up is the fact that you don't want to sell EVERY girl you come across, just the ones you are interested in. This completely changes the process because you are qualifying her just as much as she is qualifying you. You aren't going to walk in and tell a girl hey I have a messy room, a small bank account, and a dilapidated car. There are certain things we hide and that was the point I was trying to make.

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Im new to this, and the body language is a GREAT write up, but doesnt being direct kinda go against the PUA rules??? Arent you supposed to AVOID telling a girl shes "hot" or being very direct with her?

Everything is dependent on your confidence level, you can tell a girl a lot as long as you don't show that your intimidated by her. However if you walk up and say your gorgeous and look like a frail boy unless you have an adorable quality most of us lack you'll just look like a teenager.

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What PUA rules? Just because Mystery said something once doesn't mean it's the TRUTH and the RULE. Guys were getting laid long before mystery invested the fucking neg, by just being confident. Try it!

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