If you've heard of it, surely you've been tempted to use it

I need opinions, there have been stories of it being the single most potent opener there is, but the line itself seems near dangerous to utter.

So I need more opinions, is the Apocalypse opener worth the risk of using or is it nothing more than a joke to get guys blown out in the most extravagant way possible.

I want to try it, and chances are I will use it later tonight, but I would really enjoy some input on this opener.

So what is it, Kryptonite for women or a one way trip to a drink in the face?

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I can't personally vouch for its effectiveness because I have not had the opportunity to use it, but the reports on it are all positive. It has a 50% chance of working from what I've seen.

Go for it. It takes some balls, but it can be done. I think a bigger problem is not, "should I use it? " but rather saying it with complete confidence and solid eye contact. After all, that's what its all about and its harder to do this if you're nervous about saying it.

I gotta agree there

It takes balls of steel to pull this one out, but I can't seem to find anyone who actually tries to pull it out to give some field report

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Tried it twice, but it didn't work either time.

That's not to say it doesn't work, it probably wasn't congruent with my mood when I tried it. I think how you frame it is Exceptionally important.

For what it's worth I think it's just a low power closer.

By that I mean you will have success with girls who kinda fancy you before you approach, ie. the lower level HB's. But you're not going to pull any hb10's


Scamp

I've tried it a lot, it's a numbers game (no matter what opener you use, it's always a numbers game, this one just lets uninterested girls blow you out faster and save time). I suggest you also check out Mode One by Alan Roger Currie, his method is all about being bold, honest and straightforward with women, telling them exactly what you want. If you study his stuff it would help you to use this opener effectively. No opener is going to be magic, you need to know how to escalate afterwards, you need to deliver it with 100% indifference to rejection (you're going to get rejected quite a few times with an opener as direct as this) seductive eye contact/vibe...

I disagree.

Firstly no opener is a closer, the only way you close is by being able to escalate and lead confidently. This opener will get you blown out a lot, but that's only because the girl is not interested in a one night stand... It's doubtful she would have been up for it if you'd used another opener either. Also if you're good you can sway the girl and take her even if she says no at first. I've often had girls say no because they want relationships, only to change their minds once they're horny...

Imagine what every other guy is doing to try and get a 10 into bed? Indirect game, bullshit DHV stories, trying to show how good with girls he is by having loads of hot female friends around him (pre-selection)... They know exactly what guys are doing, and they know it's because you don't have the balls to say what you actually want. Guys are less forward with HB10s than other girls because they find them intimidating, thats why I think this kind of approach would still be effective for those girls...