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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:45 am 
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Since the dawn of time, men aspiring to become a god among PUAs have asked many questions about NLP and it's use in seduction. Though they are all different, and therefore do not share a common answer, there is common ground in the reason these questions are asked, namely lack of, misguided, or just plain old wrong understanding of what NLP is, and what NLP is not.

I'm going to try and solve this by oversimplifying this incredibly intricate field of study into something that people will hopefully actually read and understand, but that said, I doubt I'll even be mildly successful, as it's not like this hasn't been tried before. Rather than starting by telling you what NLP is NOT, I'm going to try a somewhat non-traditional method, and describe a core concept of NLP in a mildly abstract manor (again, in an over simplified state which is *mostly* correct, but not technically *percise*...)

To begin, put the term NLP as a whole on a back burner, and instead focus on the ideas of denotation (the definition of a word as stated in a dictionary) and connotation (the emotions invoked by the word yet not necessarily stated within the denotation). Understanding these two concepts is a core part of building an understanding of NLP. To see why this is the case, take the following two statements:

"He is fucking retarded"
"He suffers from a learning disability"

Each statement conveys the same idea, that is "His brain is such that his mental capacity is not similar to the largest subset of the population", yet as you read them, they invoke vastly opposing feelings. (at least they likely will for most who read them). This is, at a very basic, oversimplified level, the one important idea at the core of NLP.

So while conveying the same idea, one can invoke vastly different emotions simply by choosing an alternative means of stating something. In fact, it could be argued you'd be hard pressed to not invoke any emotion while conveying an idea. Basically, how you say something is important, and there are no two ways around that. This concept extends beyond words, and into most anything from actions to clothing, but the concept remains the same across the board. From this base, further concepts, such as creating tied emotions, etc. can be built up. Now it should be relatively easy to see why studying NLP, even at a basic level, is helpful in seduction, since you use the concepts simply by socializing, and seduction is damn hard without socializing :-p

Summed up:
Basic NLP for a beginner is more or less taking two things, both with similar results, and choosing one due to the emotion tied to it.

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As is common with my posts to forums, I did this over a long period of time, and didn't really plan it out, so it's entirely possible I did something idiotic, (contradict myself, babble about nothing, forget to delete a paragraph, etc... ) in which case you should call my ass out.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:16 am 
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Since the dawn of time, men aspiring to become a god among PUAs have asked many questions about NLP and it's use in seduction. Though they are all different, and therefore do not share a common answer, there is common ground in the reason these questions are asked, namely lack of, misguided, or just plain old wrong understanding of what NLP is, and what NLP is not.

I'm going to try and solve this by oversimplifying this incredibly intricate field of study into something that people will hopefully actually read and understand, but that said, I doubt I'll even be mildly successful, as it's not like this hasn't been tried before. Rather than starting by telling you what NLP is NOT, I'm going to try a somewhat non-traditional method, and describe a core concept of NLP in a mildly abstract manor (again, in an over simplified state which is *mostly* correct, but not technically *percise*...)

To begin, put the term NLP as a whole on a back burner, and instead focus on the ideas of denotation (the definition of a word as stated in a dictionary) and connotation (the emotions invoked by the word yet not necessarily stated within the denotation). Understanding these two concepts is a core part of building an understanding of NLP. To see why this is the case, take the following two statements:

"He is fucking retarded"
"He suffers from a learning disability"

Each statement conveys the same idea, that is "His brain is such that his mental capacity is not similar to the largest subset of the population", yet as you read them, they invoke vastly opposing feelings. (at least they likely will for most who read them). This is, at a very basic, oversimplified level, the one important idea at the core of NLP.

So while conveying the same idea, one can invoke vastly different emotions simply by choosing an alternative means of stating something. In fact, it could be argued you'd be hard pressed to not invoke any emotion while conveying an idea. Basically, how you say something is important, and there are no two ways around that. This concept extends beyond words, and into most anything from actions to clothing, but the concept remains the same across the board. From this base, further concepts, such as creating tied emotions, etc. can be built up. Now it should be relatively easy to see why studying NLP, even at a basic level, is helpful in seduction, since you use the concepts simply by socializing, and seduction is damn hard without socializing :-p

Summed up:
Basic NLP for a beginner is more or less taking two things, both with similar results, and choosing one due to the emotion tied to it.

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As is common with my posts to forums, I did this over a long period of time, and didn't really plan it out, so it's entirely possible I did something idiotic, (contradict myself, babble about nothing, forget to delete a paragraph, etc... ) in which case you should call my ass out.
Great stuff, I'm very curious about NLP, do you recommend any books, not just beginner one but intermediate and advanced ones that I can read as I progress and learn more.

Also I was talking to slywalker once who is also an advocate of NLP, he mention that NLP has lots of exercises for confidence and inner game. He also said NLP can be implemented in social situations (mirroring their posture to build rapport etc).

So basically im wondering, is NLP both of those things that I mentioned, a social tool and a self improvement one, its a little vague and you didnt really clear it up :P

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 1:37 pm 
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NLP is just a study of human feelings and emotions. By understanding them, you then can use that understanding as you see fit.

I guess what I was aiming for was more along the lines of showing, rather than just telling, that NLP really isn't anything magic or special... You already subconsciously use a lot of what NLP tries to explain. It's helpful to study, as with an understanding something, it becomes attainable.

Restated in yet another manner: NLP is to human feeling and emotions, as PUA is to seduction and social interaction.

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[So basically im wondering, is NLP both of those things that I mentioned, a social tool and a self improvement one, its a little vague and you didnt really clear it up :P
Well, since both of these could be seen as subsets of the broad topic of human emotions / feelings, the way I would choose to answer such a question is "Sure".
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[Great stuff, I'm very curious about NLP, do you recommend any books, not just beginner one but intermediate and advanced ones that I can read as I progress and learn more.
I'm a big fan of the teach-a-man-to-fish theory, so with that in mind, learn about the brain first :-) Take psych classes if you have the opportunity. Then, with that background, anything covering the basic ideas and theories that form the basis of NLP should be plenty for you to figure out whatever you want to know.

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Great thanks for the info, really clears things up!

I have already taken up psych classes and have read a few books on it :P

But honestly, it seems you have a deep knowledge of NLP, what are the good beginner, intermediate and advanced books that you have read. I know you said that I should look into this myself, but I really feel that the books recommended by you would help me a great deal on top of me just researching it for myself.

Thanks,

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I agree with the above poster. I would also like some recommendation and lessons on NLP as well. From the basics to the top.

I've been watching youtube video and the obvious weakness being that I'm seeing things in pieces. Basics to top would be preferred. A book in this context would help.

Any recommendations?


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