Hey guys. This has been driving me crazy for awhile, I hope you can help me. I've been in the game for a bit now, and I've run into a major sticking point.

I was never considered a good looking guy before I got into the game. I didn't really know how to accentuate the positive in my features, but I did win the genetic lottery a bit with my face shape. After finally getting a flattering haircut and learning how to dress fashionably, I all of a sudden have girls coming out of nowhere at bars, clubs and parties telling me I'm "gorgeous" or "really cute" or "handsome" or even in one case "beautiful." (I know right? I don't understand chicks either). Most would consider this a good thing, but it's presented me with an interesting problem. I have a few other friends who didn't get as lucky in the looks deparment, but they have also been in the game for longer than I have, and we're all pretty much running the same game. Standard Cocky/Funny, along with bantering, storytelling and all that good stuff. Now, we all know that looks really have nothing to do with the game, right? The problem I've been running into is that all the standard game that works for my friends doesn't work for me because of this. I wondered for awhile if I was just doing it wrong, until I talked to my friend James' girlfriend and got some feedback.

She talked about when we first met. During that time we were all running game on her to pump her buying temperature and then letting James swing in to isolate for Comfort Building. She said during that time, (when I was running push/pull and cocky/funny), I came off as a tool. In her own words she thought that I was "This ultra good-looking guy who was all cocky and a player and probably trying to get in my pants." She went on to pretty much describe how James and my other friend Jason's game works so well (in non game terms, of course). For example how Jason is good at making himself the prize, or how James is really good at being charming and bantering. She also reiterated to me that I was probably the best looking guy in our group, but she mentioned that certain things I do are "cheesy." When I asked her for examples, she listed off pretty much every neg, disqualifier, and line I have ever run since she's known me.

Another thing that comes to mind is that every time I start running a false disqualifier, my target will get either an offended or rejected look on her face and usually bail on me in set. My cocky funny usually doesn't go over very well either. Usually girls will roll their eyes or call me a jerk.

I've gotten good responses using cold reading routines and almost all of my openers go well, but as soon as I get to the teasing/disqualification phase, I get blown out. If I skip it entirely, the set goes nowhere and peters out.

Despite all this, I have been kiss closing and number closing a lot, but mostly on girls that open me or that I just caveman on the dance floor. Usually pretty hot girls, but I'm afraid to go further with them because I don't really know how to game them. Like I said, my push/pull never goes well, because I when I push them away, the set dies, and if I don't play any push/pull at all, the set dies. What works for all the other PUA's in my group is not working for me.

My question to you guys is this: I have been told many times by many different people that I'm pretty physically attractive. How should I change my game because of this. How does being a good looking guy affect how you play the game. Specifically, how can I use it to my advantage, and what things should I eliminate from/add to the standard game because of it? Any help at all would be appreciated.

You know how they say you really need to dose the negs and cocky/funny stuff depending on how hot the chick actually is? I think it works both ways.

When a girl sees a guy she think is attractive, if she's not very self-confident she will feel intimidated and will feel inferior, if you come up to her and give her shit she will definately think you are a tool. Basically she already feels the need to prove herself since she think's you're really hot and make all sorts of assumptions in her head. Negging too much or being too cocky will just blow you through the roof.

I think guys that are particularly good looking need to tone down on the negging and cocky stuff.

KnockoutKid, that does make a lot of sense. Any ideas on what I should replace all that stuff with during the attraction phase? From what I've seen negs, push/pull and cocky/funny make up the bulk of attraction, and I'm worried that if I cut that stuff out entirely, I'll end up getting friend zoned due to a lack of attraction.

Just toning it down a bit, being more playful than cocky. You basically need to figure out how she sees herself compared to you. If she seemed really concerned when you neg her she might see herself as lower value than you, if she gets back at you then game's on and you can allow yourself to be cocky.


Basically I think all women find cockiness and confidence sexy, but some girls with low self-esteem will just think they are not game for you and put up a fake bitch shield.

Just make sure you really get the pulse before getting too cocky.

Light push/pulling might work better than negging in those case where a girl already sees you as being the prize..

You push her and it confirms that you are more valuable than her, and then you reel her in with a backhanded compliment and she goes crazy.

I'm actually in a similar position. I'm not a fantastic looking guy though but I'm probably a 7. I think it's as much the appearance of confidence/style that is "attractive" as real looks. I get girls hitting on my fairly often. Though never as direct. Usually just "Oh that's a cool ring"/"What is that you're drinking?" etc, but definite openers/iois. I have an awesome routine now where I tell her how she should be hitting on me, position her body language *nice excuse for kino escalation* and then move into a camera routine.

Oh and today I got "you're so prettyful". Great just what I wanna be called, lol. So count yourself lucky with "beautiful", hah.

I have a friend who women consider good looking.Women write on his facebook wall and his statuses alot.It is sorta funny because he asks me to write emails for girls over facebook he adds.Just a few weeks ago when we was out a girl said to him "do you wanna come with me?just kidding!"but we all knew she meant it.He is what you call a natrual.But he has nothing going for him.On probation,no car,no job,25.So the younger women go for him instead of girls his age.Does it help?Well yeah of course.One thing is he comes across has gamey and that he wants sex.I've seen dimes pick this up and tell him flatout "i'm not looking for sex sorry".If you have good game than it makes up for your looks.

I hang out with a few guys that look like they can be Abercrombie models, and yes, the game is different for good looking guys.

Lay off a little, or a lot, on the cocky, negs, disqualifiers.

It's like if a chubby girl says that she's hot and that you wish your girlfriend was like her, it could be playful and funny. But if an actual hb9-10 says that, it'll probably come off as she's a bitch.

Yeah man... I call it "the gift and the curse" lol. I'm in da same boat, but I get over this by being more "comfortable" than any one else in the club. I am often the only one dancing and smiling on the dance floor while all the other guys are practicing being the "coolest" in the room.

I sing, rap, and drape my arms over my homies all the time conveying that whatever th heck is going on around, it doesn't matter, I'M HAVING A GREAT TIME. This puts women at ease and makes me seem more down to earth and certainly more relatable and "normal". And not some prick whose putting them down. I rarely use negs unless she's hb9+, then it still depends on her attitude.

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I'm in the same boat..but it's actually not a bad thing..being good looking means you don't even need to DHV. You are already above these girls as far as value goes, and if you just be real cool and look like you are an awesome dude, it becomes much easier. I found that the best way to work it when you are good looking is to avoid all the game everyone talks about. It's best to just be subtly direct with them, be nice but at the same time show them you are sexually interested. No need for canned openers, or DHV, negs or any of that shit. You can if you want, but it's really not necessary and could backfire.

Get to know them as a person, they will be flattered that a good looking guy actually cares about them and they'll open up. Use playful kino and your golden.