Okay guys, ive been doing online gaming for quite some time ever since "sugar we're going down" came out from fall out boy. And ill tell ya when I first started back when myspace came out, it was quite a bit easier. No myspace stalker shit and the whole concept of gaming online and cutting and pasting messages had not hit the female mind yet.

RULES

Online gaming is a bit like gaming in real life, except at a slower pace and you cant exactly see how the other end is feeling so you kinda just gotta feel it out.

#1 Make sure all your basics are covered. LOOK GOOD! Be stylish, be cool, look good, dress good. Need a cool clubbing shit? Do a search for "roar shirt" on ebay. Be prepared to spend $35 - $90. If you cant afford it front the $90 take pics then return it. GOLF PANTS = NOT COOL

#2 Have 3 or more of the following: Have *some* cool pictures that are done by a professional and photoshopped if possible. But not all. If u have them all it looks like your trying 2 hard. Have one with your friends! Shows social proof. Have a goofy one. Shows your funny and not too serious. If you have a *cool* hobby, post it. Im a guitarist, so that automatically makes me cool HAHA. If you fly model airplanes or collect stamps just dont. Have a picture with your last girlfriend but make sure you post "dont worry shes my BFF!" under it. make sure shes hot if possible, if not get a fwing or pivot that your friends with. FWING!

BODY CONTENT

Keep it simple stupid. SHOW that you are a good guy. But at the same time be a dick. This may seem like a contradiction, but trust me its good. It'll keep them guessing. No one wants an easy catch. You want to be a dick to show your not going to put up with her crap. BUT BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL DOING THIS. You want to be a dick, but dont be a dick to her directly. Neg when appropriate. But theres a thin line between negging playfully and insulting. I would have a list of things that arent acceptable to you. I have one, if anyone wants to see my pof page message me. EXAMPLE I dont like ghetto or "thug" chicks, therefore neck caligraphy is OUT. Always follow up a neg with a compliment or something to neutralize it out, like a question to distract her from thinking to hard about what you just said. DHV yourself, never DLV yourself. Have alot of interests that are UNIVERSAL! Beaches, clubs, parks, concerts, festivals, bowling, beer pong, gnome hunting, bobbing for jellyfish. Therefore if she says "we have nothing in common" you can blow her up cuz half the things on your itnerest list will be on hers. NEVER BE LOGICAL! Have something arbitrary on your page like:

Dont think that if you get 20 new emails a day that your anything special. Dont be stuck on yourself. Its biology, if guys stopped chasing you and waited for girls to come to them reproduction on this planet would cease. Please regard 95 out of 100 to be complete tools that have zero relationship compatability and social skills. Please refer to first grade manners and social economics 101

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Please be mature enough to talk to someone before blowing them off or judging them. Dont discredit someone just cuz they didnt cross their t's or dot their i's not everyone can conform to your specific perfect introduction. People are different. If your not mature enough to do that then you shouldn't be on a dating website at all. Here is the justin bieber fan page I suggest you seek out something a little more on your social skill level. http://bieberfever.com I looked it up just for you.



NEVER let on that you directly like a girl. You can hint. The second she knows your hers your done. Always stay one step ahead of them. Be smart, witty, playful. Establish value for yourself. EXAMPLE. If you get a phone number, dont text her right away til shes asks you stoopid! 3 day minimum wait! Live game or online.

WHAT GIRLS REALLY WANT

Part 1

Lets face it guys, if a girls an 8 9 or 10 she wants rich guys and chip n dales. Sorry to burst your bubble. HOWEVER. These guys usually treat them like crap cuz if a guy is a 9 or a 10 you have my GUARANTEE hes banging as many chicks as he can, sometimes several a week. So what does this mean for you? Girls will always SAY they want a nice guy, and they do, but they want a nice chip n dale or movie star and even when they do get them it usually doesnt last long or they get married and then it still doesnt last long. So put up the appearance your a bad boy with an attitude like you dont give a shit, but after you sleep with her then you can be nice. You can qualify girls, but be EXTREMELY careful how you do it. I wont throw the whole 3 question rule out there til at least the 2nd or 3rd message. Else they WILL reply 'What is this an interview?" Bad when your first introducing yourself, you want to build interest and attraction. CALIBRATE. LISTEN TO WHAT SHES SAYNG. Forget about what you wanna talk about. If you wanna appeal to her then HEAR WHAT SHES SAYING, BECAUSE SHE IS ACTUALLY TELLING YOU WHAT SHE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT. The idea is in the first messages of talking to her you dont wanna show her ONE SINGLE THING thats negative about you. EXAMPLE you might tell a joke that you think is funny, and it might be but if she takes it in the wrong context (and thats all on her) then thats a huge check against you. And you dont want that. You can do that after yourve been talking a while and she understands your sence of humor. Be normal, dont be weird, be fun, be funny. Dont overstep your boundries by being sexual. This applies to guys attempting to win over a girls affection. If shes just a pawn of fools mate then dont bother. They will try to shit test you. Recognize it for what it is and if your not sur ehow to handle it, blow it off. Throw the potato in her lap, let her wonder. Hit and run technique guys, show interest, then once you have her hooked back off a few days. Be aware that as soon as she senses you backing off she'll back off and match as an initial reaction. Dont fall for it guys. Keep them girlies exactly where you want them.

Part 2

So girls want rich guys that wear polo shirts and guys with a tree trunk for a neck right? Right. Well usually those guys r so busy banging other chicks that lont term relationships seldom work out which knock a girl a few steps down off her pedistal. Usually this happens around age 23 - 25. Girls like it when you stimulate their mind. EVERY guy on pof write "Hey your hot" or "i think your pretty" cmon guys thats chimp chump stuff. Get down to the nitty gritty, sent her some crap you know you dont wanna say, but deep down you know she wants to hear. Ask her what her definition of a soul mate is. Is it SOMEONE THAT MAKES YOUR HEART FLUTTER THE FIRST TIME U SEE THEM? OR IS IT SOMEONE THAT YOU LEARN TO LOVE AND CAN GET ALONG WITH EVERY DAY YOUR WITH THEM BECAUSE OF HOW YOU LOVE AND GROW TOGETHER? Girls love this crap guys. And I know we hate it but they eat it up. So be different. Stand out. Dont be everyother guy out there. Be independent.


SEXUAL BOUNDRIES

Dont approach a sexual question until prompted. Every guy in the world wants to ask "how big are your boobs?" "Whats your favorite position?" DONT DO IT. This is what wills et you apart from other guys. You can get one secret get out of jail free card. You can ask one sexual question. And theres 2 outcomes. She shoots you down or she answers it. I strongly urge u dont ask this til after your talking on the phone or dire results are imminent.

This concludes my experiences over the past 10 years gaming online. There is very much more to learn so if anyone needs any more help feel free to contact me. The goal here is to stay one step ahead of her, but not be so far that she cant relate to you cuz there is no chemistry. CHEMISTRY GUYS. Try for the most part to agree with alot of what she says regardless if its against your personal beliefs, but if you believe in something hardcore then stand up for yourself. But for the most part try not to have any disagreements the first few messages or talks. You dont wanna get her in a mindset you two dont see eye to eye. And again, this was written for the mature adult, girls that still listen to justin nieber or miley cyrus do not apply because they are even more illogical the girls which are all illogical anyway.

HAPPY HUNTING

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Nice post, I like it alot. I've always been pretty horrible with tekstgame so I can use all the info.
I keep messing up on various stupid things, but what bothers me most is that girls either refuse or don't answer when you ask her to meet up (telling her most likely, since I won't go 'want to go out sometime?' but use 'We should do something together'. What's your way to go from tekst to real life? Also, when do you go from cocky/funny to serious?

p.s. I'm talking about facebook mostly.

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If you ask her out first she knows she has you. Usually you wanna build her interest in you, and by asking her you show your cards prematurely. So talk a minimum of 3 messages/texts after the initial 3 day wait. You need to show her your not all trippin over her. Build her interest treat her as if shes a 5 or 6 in your head.

The best way to go from tex to real life is very slowly. If you ask without building interest or attraction its a moot point. Dont forget she has more than a few guys textin her, why should she go out with you? Be different, treat her as if shes a 5 cuz shes not used to it. Shell wonder why. After you establish a repoir the best way is say "Hey, me and a few friends are hittin up so and so club you should go. And bring a few friends if you want" That makes her feel comfortable and your showing your neutral, interested but she hasnt won you over yet.

Stay away from too much cocky/funny in the initial attraction a1 phase unless she knows indefinately your just playing around. No grey area here. You never wanna get serious til she gets serious on you first. Shes testin the waters, you counter and calibrate.

Do these things if you havent already burned her/showed your cards let me know how it turns out

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I've been looking for some pointers like this as I seem to suck at POF. I've adjusted my profile slightly in the vain of what you were saying. Can you let me know what you think.....

Hey ladies I live in XXX and have three main hobbies, I box, play guitar and dance. Not all at the same time else or someone would get hurt! I try and play an open mic night once a month and the rest of the time I try and stay fit and healthy. I moved to XXX a few months ago and it would be great to meet some new people. I work in a job that helps families in crisis and consider myself to be an all round good guy. I like most types of music but I do have a thing where I like music to have words so any happy hardcore girls can rave on somewhere else!

I've sent a few messages to ladies on here that, in my mind, asked questions about their profiles or an observational comment that you'd hope would spark a conversation but I think there are a lot of rude women on here that can't be bothered to make an effort to chat..... And getting 20 emails a day does not make you special if you cant see the genuine guys within that. Is this a case of women stating on their profiles that they want guys to be more deep than 'you look pretty' but when it comes down to it are struggling to be engaging themselves? Prove me wrong, I dare you! I don't bite....

For one thing people write their profiles b4 they've experienced the environment. Their behaviour changes accordingly but they never go back and change their profile.

Do you know why bad bosses often get better jobs? It's because they project the best possible version of themselves to the people who matter. Same things happen on dating sites, girls are attracted to guys who say all the right things regardless of how well they might deliver them, as if anyone was ever a 100% perfect. I imagine this is instinctive rather than calculated behaviour. So on your profile you're subtlely DLV'ing yourself with bad choices of words.

1. it's easier and funnier to imagine you hurting yourself than an unspecified person.
2. stop using the word 'try'. that's not the best version of yourself.
3. change few months ago to recently ~ it's more open to favorable interpretation ~ you imply you haven't managed to meet anyone in a few months.
4. i'm not sure "consider myself" is that good or stating you're a "good guy". perhaps a different sentence about how good you are at your job or the importance of it, or some angle on your passion for it?
5. happy hardcore is perhaps too much open to interpretation. Plenty of girls do like 'dance' music as well as meaningful lyrics. Since you don't allude in any way to what musical stereotype you're mostly in, pop, indie, mainstream rock or rock/metal the only thing they do know is what you're not.

Thanks BroWolf I will make the changes as you've suggested......

Incidently since the first re-write I have had a reply from a girl I messaged a few days ago. She said that she re-read my profile and thought the last paragraph was aimed at her..... She seemed to take this with good humour and has asked me a load of questions and answered all of mine. Awesome!

I knew I was aiming in the right direction with this but sensed I was just out of focus. Hopefully these changes will sort this out

i was kind of confused about that last paragraph, it starts off like part of your question here!

Yeah sorry re-read it and it does seem odd, I put that down to the amount of flu meds I'm on! I was just saying that making a few small changes can make a big difference in terms of results. So thanks again

BTW OKcupid has some good articles on what works and what doesn't. Like the OP mentioned, a pic playing guitar is about the best you can possible have. Also, not looking into the camera, in other words the pic shouldn't look staged. It should look like you were caught in the moment, doing your thing.

I mostly agree with everything however wouldn't putting these on the page make it seem like your displaying a lot of angst over previous negative experiences? I know almost all guys have these experiences on dating sites including myself but wouldn't putting this on your page for girls to read sort of seem like your ranting/complaining about it? I thought the main thing for profiles was to be cocky and funny but most importantly positive, no negativity at all.

Maybe if you used positive emoticons it'd get rid of any negative vibes from it.

YOUR RIGHT, BUT IVE DECIDED TO CHANGE IT UP RECENTLY IM UTTERLY CONVINCED POF IS FULL OF COMPLETE RETARDS. YOU CAN NOT BE MR NICE GUY. GIRLS MOSTLY ONLY REPLY TO CHIP N DALES AND RICH GUYS, I MEAN U CAN SEE THAT STUFF RIGHT ON SOMEONES PAGE AND IF YOU DONT HAVE THOSE THINGS THEN THE CHANCES OF U GETTING ALOT OF MESSAGES OTHER THAN A FEW IS SLIM TO NONE.

SO IM KINDA PUTTING OUT THERE "HEY I REALLY DONT CARE IF YOUR STUCK ON YOURSELF, JUST DONT CONTACT ME IF YOU ARE" A HEADLINE LIKE THAT WOULD BE INVISIBLE TO 6 AND 7'S. ITS AN ATTITUDE THATS AIMED DIRECTLY AT 8'S 9'S AND 10'S NOT THAT IM TRYING TO BE A DICK, JUST SICK OF THE SAME POF CRAP. ITS A PERSONAL DECISION SO I CHOSE TO GO THIS ROUTE TO STAND OUT A BIT.DONT YOU HATE IT WHEN YOU MESSAGE A BUNCH OF 8'S AND 9'S AND THEY DONT EVEN BOTHER TO WRITE BACK OR GET 2 KNOW YOU? SOME GIRLS MIGHT THINK IM A DICK BUT SOME 8'S OR 9'S MIGHT RESPECT IT.

POF IS FILLED WITH GIRLS LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT THINGS FOR THE WRONG REASONS.

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I can't say I agree with everything the op said but there are a few things I disagree.
I don't know about girls but if I see such pictures on a girls profile I am more than likely to pass on it. Such pictures especially on a site like POF are more than likely going to be a fake profile. I know there are fake profiles with real looking pictures, but they seem to be less common on dating sites.
How is messaging a girl not showing you are interested in her? This is no different from walking up to a girl in real life and opening her. Both show a display of interest. Saying that, what more matters is what you do once you shown your interest. Also doing the waiting game is so 1950's. There is no reason to make a girl wait.
Sorry to burst your "bubble" but this statement is pretty much wrong. Not every hot girl wants a rich chip n dales guy. Most want a guy that can support them. And not all model looking guys are not banging every girl in sight. Just because a guy is good looking in no way guarantee's him a lay. The only reason you make such a statement is you been burned by such people or have issues with them.
You can ask a sexual question without being prompted to do so. Remember girls like alpha guys. But the key is asking the question tastefully and correctly.

Im really promised myself that I would achieve more success this year, Im in an open relationship recently, which is great. However my POF isn't getting the results and I need help in sorting it out ASAP. Great information so what kind of message should you send out first?? CF or Negs?? Great information too

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I'm a guy and I think girls in open relationships are gross. Girls tend to be more conservative, so that's probably why you're not doing so hot. Focus on girls that are also in open relationships, there's plenty online. Bleh.

But anyway, the OP has a real chip on his shoulder with all this "rich guys and chip & dales" BS. But I can relate. There are tons of women online that are only there for online attention or are too socially fearful to actually meet us. Online dating only gets fun for me when it's no longer online, everything else I just tolerate. I'm kind of disappointed that this is the culmination of 10 years of experience, I was really expecting more here. POF now has advertisements for Double Your Dating where it says to challenge the girls immediately, which is the most valuable thing I got from this post.

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I can't see open-relationship working with pof too well...u should be on adult friendfinder or ashley madison.