Universal Principle Behind ALL Pick Up Techniques



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:00 am 
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I have studied PUA theory for a year and a half and have used it to get to get an attractive girlfriend in the past. I have studied the underlying principles of game and what makes women attracted. It all has the SAME underlying principle that guides it all. After all, if guys are biologically driven mainly by physically attractive women, surely there is one thing that underlies why females are attracted to men?

Universal Law of Female Attraction

Universal Law: Women are invariably attracted to a man when they get the emotion that his opinion of her has a high importance.

Clarification of Law

Essentially what the law is saying is that when a girl wants your approval then she is attracted. All humans (including guys) are put into various social situations where they want to be liked by someone else. However, the difference is that women are sexually attracted in that situation, while men are not. The higher she values your approval, the more attracted she is.

Some may disagree and say this is too simple and also applies to guys, because guys also want girls to like them. However, guys are not attracted to women because they want her approval. They want her approval because they are already attracted. Women however, are attracted simply when they want or value a man’s approval.

Three Manifestations of the Universal Law

Generally, in most social situations, there are three broad categories of ways to make a person feel your approval is more important or valuable.

1) Social Value - Compliments from the cool guys mean more than one’s from loser’s right?

2) Investment - If you try really hard to please or prove yourself to someone, their approval means so much more!

3) Validation - If you are emotionally dependent on a person’s compliments, it goes without saying that their approval is very important!


All PUA techniques and cultural stereotypes fall under one of these categories in some way or another. Each will be examined below.

1) Social Value Style

Principle: In general, the more a person is liked a lot by other people, the more we want to be liked by them. If the President randomly shakes your hand, you brag about it to all your friends. If a stranger randomly shakes your hand, you think its weird.

Similarly, if a girl just likes some characteristic about you (like humor), the same effect occurs. We want the approval of those people we like, not just the people that others like.

-PUA Techniques: Preselection, social proof, leader of men, being funny, DHV stories, entourage game, social circle game.

-Cultural stereotypes: Rock stars, athletes, “players”, extremely outgoing men, guys who are the “life of the party,” really cool dudes

2) Investment Style

Principle: In general, the more one person seeks the approval of another, the more they value that persons approval. This is the core of all “game.” Rotating between making the person comfortable in your presence, removing some of your approval, and giving them requests in order to obtain your approval. (credit Adam Lyons: rotating Comfort, Breaking Rapport, and Qualification and investment principle).

PUA Terms: Comfort, break rapport, qualification, compliance, neg, compliment, tease, cocky funny, hoop theory, reward, punish, frame control, false disqualifier, validation

Cultural examples: “bad boys,” pick up artists, “jerks,” guys who “play hard to get”, guys who are a “challenge”


3) Validation Style

In general, a high importance is placed on a person’s opinion of us when they compliment us in a way that relates to our deepest identity.

This is not seen much in typical PUA but is the guiding force of Jon Sinn and Future Thompson’s “Breakthrough Comfort.” Basically you find out how the girl has always wanted to be perceived, then compliment her over and over on that basis, sprinkling in irrelevant teases to make sure your compliments are appreciated. This is designed to make her fall in love with the man.

Cultural examples: “prince charming,” the guy who sweeps her off her feet, the sweet talker, guys who talks a girl into bed, romantics


Summary

I believe it is important to fundamentally understand why any technique or strategy works, or we will not understand it at all and risk making mistakes. Also, when we understand the universal reason that makes women like guys, we can better adapt to our own situation and maximize our ability to attract women.


Sorry that was very long winded and robotically organized. Even though i have studied PUA for a while, this is only like my 4th post on a PUA forum ever. I was wondering if I could get some feedback for these ideas I have here? Any feedback would be much appreciated.


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this is excellent man im gonna save this


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short sweet and straight to the point. big help nice post

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Thanks for that. I will be thinking a lot about this "universal rule" as I go out, as it's a lot easier to remember 1 rule than everything else. :) I did want to comment on one thing though:
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2) Investment Style

PUA Terms: [...] frame control, [...]
I think there is another value to "frame control" not mentioned by the universal rule. I believe part of the value of controlling the frame, is it knocks her out of her frame. Anthropologists talk about "social scripting," the collections of rituals and suppositions that people learn in their culture, internalize, insist upon, and think in terms of. When you yank a gal's frame away and substitute another, you're interrupting her script. She doesn't know what to do at that point, and you can access and redirect her in ways that do not follow her social scripting. It may be accessing her creative mind rather than her bitch shield, or her primitive sexuality rather than her social fears that she's a ho. It is probably more interesting to her to be presented something "off-script," because she hasn't seen it before, and the mind likes to try to figure things out and adapt. Hmm, actually I just confirmed that this can be another form of investment, but it is the investment of the mind trying to solve a riddle. The mind does not like problems that are too easy to solve; they are trivially rejected within the social script.

This is part of why "being weird," which some people on this forum don't seem to like very much, can actually work when done properly. Knocking people out of their frames is a powerful tool. People seem to place a positive value on "being different," but it's exactly the same thing as "being weird" and is merely a question of semantics. Cold sore = socially acceptable, oral herpes = OMFG! even though they're exactly the same thing.


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That is an interesting point you have there regarding the significance of frame control. Even independent of anything that is inherently attractive to the girl, knocking her out of her frame can only help work to the man's advantage, especially in elongating the interaction.

It's interesting that one should be careful with investment based game as I learned the hard way just because she qualifies the biggest hoops doesn't mean she likes you or wants to marry you. I tried this and I learned that compliance does not necessarily equal attraction as it has always been so portrayed. I am still confused about attraction but I can see general trends in it.


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Sorry but I disagree with this post... Well your idea of what female attraction is anyway.
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Universal Law of Female Attraction

Universal Law: Women are invariably attracted to a man when they get the emotion that his opinion of her has a high importance.

Clarification of Law

Essentially what the law is saying is that when a girl wants your approval then she is attracted. All humans (including guys) are put into various social situations where they want to be liked by someone else. However, the difference is that women are sexually attracted in that situation, while men are not. The higher she values your approval, the more attracted she is.

Some may disagree and say this is too simple and also applies to guys, because guys also want girls to like them. However, guys are not attracted to women because they want her approval. They want her approval because they are already attracted. Women however, are attracted simply when they want or value a man’s approval.
Just because a girl wants a guys approval and values his opinion doesn't mean she's attracted sexually. What about a girl who values her father's opinion and wants his approval? What about her gay best friend? What about her girl friends? She wants approval and values all of their opinions, doesn't mean she's sexually attracted to them.

I know plenty of very likeable popular guys. You'd think women love them. In fact women do love them... Just as friends. The reason? Women don't see them as sexual beings.

Women are attracted to a guy who they could see as a potential boyfriend/sex partner. It's that simple.

All the things you wrote about can help improve your chances with women and become a much more attractive guy, but the main thing missing from this is being sexual. No sexual intent/tension/escalation/vibe = no sexual attraction. I think this is actually the single most important thing in game, and what most guys do wrong.
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However, guys are not attracted to women because they want her approval. They want her approval because they are already attracted.
Also you need to realise that women are exactly the same as men. They want your approval more when they are sexually attracted.

A while ago I went out with my (now ex) girlfriend, and we bumped into her friends. One girl was really attracted to the bartender because he was a very good looking guy. They ended up sleeping together that night. The next day me and my girlfriend were talking to the girl, and I actually found it really weird... The girls actually thought that she'd won the guy over, as if she had to "game" the guy into sleeping with her. My girlfriend told her "well done, I'm proud of you", just like a guy would to his friend. Do you think she would care about his approval if she wasn't attracted initially? No she wouldn't. Also, he'd probably already made his mind up that he wanted to fuck her, and thought he had to game her a little too. He probably told his friends the same, and they probably told him "well done". They both wanted to fuck eachother from the start. Even though they probably convinced themselves they'd both done something to convince the other to fuck them, it was really as simple as: girl wants to fuck guy + guy wants to fuck girl + guy talks to her and sexually escalates = they have sex.


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I tend to agree with most of this. My older brother told me 10 years ago that the key to girls was to be confident, and make them comfortable. To tie in both of the ideas, your popular friends may have been socially accepted, but uncomfortable around girls. The key is to be a sexual being, and not be ashamed of it, and to make her comfortable while you convey this. Then, she feels comfortable with the fact that your not ashamed of your sexuality, and everything is easier.

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"Cold Coquettes create space by remaining elusive and making others pursue them. Their coolness suggests a comfortable confidence that is exciting to be around, even though it may not actually exist; their silence makes you want to talk. Their self-containment, their appearance of having no need for other people, only makes us want to do things for them, hungry for the slightest sign of recognition and favour. Cold Coquettes may be maddening to deal with—never committing but never saying no, never allowing closeness— but more often than not we find ourselves coming back to them, addicted to the coldness they project. Remember: seduction is a process of drawing people in, making them want to pursue you and possess you. Seem distant and people will go mad to win your favour. Humans, like nature, hate a vacuum, and emotional distance and silence make them strain to fill up the empty space with words and heat of their own."

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I think we can all agree that social value, investment, and validation play an important role in opposite sex interactions. Different environments require approaching these three topics in different ways. Day vs night game. Direct vs indirect. But yes, this is a good post and it's always good to brush back up on the basics.

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I have studied the underlying principles of game and what makes women attracted.
Don't study. Go out and approach thousands of women.

Your brain works in a fascinated way. If you create a theory at this early stage in your development, it will look for further evidence to reinforce your "law" and it will literally provide you with information so that you can arrive at the conclusion that your "law" works. Your brain doesn't want to believe in something that's maybe false, so you will ALWAYS find evidence that what you creates works. That's why you need to be careful when say stuff out of the blue like LAWS.

To create a LAW, one year and a half and a girlfriend is not really the source of information that's enough.


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very nice thank for this article

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Love the social deconstructionism and creative inductive process that leads to 3 macro categories.

You just saved me time mate. Thanks.

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