alright here it is...

since I have been practicing pick up I really think my morals/values are going out the window.

example: tonight I was at a restaurant watching the games at the bar. in comes HB9 and some dude. I notice their interaction and it looks pretty clear they are bf/gf. here I'm already thinking, "who cares? find a way to talk to her, get her number". so then comes my chance. she walks to the bathroom, I wait a couple minutes and time it just right as she is walking out. I catch her eye, ask her how the date is going and she gives me a little bit of an uncertain answer mentioning that its actually her bf not a date. I joke aroung with her for a sec and tell her she better get going but we should continue talking some other time. number close, done deal. she looked back at me a couple times later that night.

so my dilemma: I felt pretty shitty about all of this. sure she was hot. but she was there with her bf. I would have never thought about sarging a chick with a bf until I started this whole pick up thing.

anyone else go through this? any thoughts?[/code]

Wow thats awesome how in the heck were you able to pickup a chick in those few seconds she got out the restroom, nice pickup.

if shes hot, she almost always has a boyfriend. just because he is at home, doesn't mean he is any less real than if he is sitting with her eating.
the fact that you ask the question means you have morals. remember boyfriend is a temporary state. they will either get married or break up, and if she is disloyal, thats her bad, not yours. no need to make excuses for other peoples bad behavoir.

i draw the line at married, but thats just me.

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i've had thoughts of interfering but never really have. do you have good intentions? like an LTR? or just want an f-close? if you are really looking for a girlfriend, no, its fair game unless it has a ring on it. but why ruins someones hard work, hopes, and dreams, excuse me two peoples, just for a night of pleasure.

As Francis Smedley said, "ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE & WAR"!

who gives a fuck about the other guy, because reverse the roles

if you are in a relationship with a girl, another guy is going to be like

"who the fuck is that? im going to get his girl and hes going home alone tonight"

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Agreed, if the guys not my friend. And they aren't married then fuck him! He should keep a better eye on her then if he doesn't want me to steal her... besides it's not my fault that I'm more apealling then the current BOREFRIEND

Why do I get the feeling that you offered her your number and she said "oh, um, okay"? I don't want to slag on your game here but I haven't ever read a FR where someone, in the matter of like 30 seconds, wins someone's trust who has a boyfriend WITH THEM and gets their number and it's actually real. Imagining the situation in my head, it had to seem really awkward to her. If you can do it, you should probably be teaching seminars.

I don't approach women who are with their boyfriends because I'm simply not that desperate. If she's out with her girlfriends dancing, the boyfriend obviously isn't in the picture, but if she's out with him and you know it, why bother them? There are plenty of women who are single or mostly single who want you to talk to them and are interesting people.

If you think every other guy out there is your enemy (or not your friend), then watch David DeAngelo's "On Being A Man" and work through the issues that you have. It's the sign of a mature guy who is comfortable with himself to be able to say that they don't feel threatened by other guys or that they have to compete against them.

I want to compliment you, NightOwl, because you have the maturity to be asking this question.

I think it's the mission of a PUA to give women a great time. Not breaking hearts and make people feel sad.

well do you expect that a hb is going to be single???? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

they always want a guy attached to their arm, you have to break that ball and chain and put yourself there, but you have to be in control

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I'd rather go out swinging than strike out looking.
A lifestyle is a terrible thing to waste.
What I say when I see her is what I'll say.

I'm not saying you can't open sets that include guys or even boyfriends. But if it's a good relationship, well there are enough hb's. As said before, why k/f close a girl for 1 night and make people angry/sad/suicidal?

edit: with power comes responsability

well if you get mad/sad/suicidal, then go to a therapist

if a girl decides she wants to have sex with somebody who is not her boyfriend, then obviously the man in her life isnt doing everything right where she feels she needs another guy for one night

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I'd rather go out swinging than strike out looking.
A lifestyle is a terrible thing to waste.
What I say when I see her is what I'll say.

either that, or you played her good
remember girls act on emotions not on logic.

i guess i still have some sympathy for beta men.

You don't have to decide yet what the deal is with her "boyfriend." The fact that you quickly number closed means something isn't right in their relationship. I wouldn't have sex with her anytime soon. But I would get to know her, and see what's going on with her and her "boyfriend."

If he's on the way out anyway, nothing wrong with being Mr. On the Way In. If they're solid, and she's looking to cheat, and that's understood, it may as well be you. If they're solid and she's not looking to cheat, but mildly interested in you, I would NOT pursue it.

It's not my game to mess with other peoples relationships, and, if she feels bad and tells him you could wake up one day with your balls cut off....lol.

I question that number close it was way too quick.....What did u say to her in such a short time frame of 15-30 secs. And she was on a date with her boyfriend too I find it hard to believe she would just offer you her number like that.

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