Ok, when it seems I've sarged my hardest and made sure I've done a lot of things to set up a time when I can hook up with this broad, but no matter what I do, it seems clear that I will never be able to hook up with her.

I am not a pessimist, but this is what happened to me yesterday.

There is this hb 8.5 who I consider a pretty good friend (not "friendzone" though) who is at college with me in first year. I met her at the start, got her number, texted a bit, goofed around in class, teased/negged her, etc, things to try to eventually lead her to sex. Actually, most of what I did was just natural game because she is so easy to be with and no matter what you say, you can't make an awkward moment with her, that's why she's so great.

Lately, I committed myself to improving my Kino by a lot, and I've made sexually suggestive comments, teased her etc. Things like one time she said: "My pile of notes to study is like THIS THICK!" So I said: "You know what else is THAT THICK?.... *smile*" lol. She said: "ewww" and looked at me. I said: "What? My sociology text book is that thick..... ohh, ew your such a perve." *smile*. she knew what I was doing and thought it was funny.

I've basically tried really hard to stay out of friendzone, I make sure I'm not some soft guy. But we are good friends and we studied together yesterday for like 5 hours. Then, I told her she should come back to my apartment, and she was down.

So we got back, and hung out for a bit, she had a weed cookie lol cause she wanted one. My roommate was there and his friend came over briefly with his dog who is the cutest puppy. Both guys are total studs and wheel big time so I considered it DHV, also because she absolutely loved the puppy. She saw how my home was pretty legit.

Then they left, and we went into my room. I wanted to hook up with her so badly.... but THIS IS WHERE I ACTUALLY GAVE UP AND STOPPED SARGING. I had not really received a solid IOI all day, she never returned any of my kinos, and on top of that, when we were studying, she said two things that made me feel fucked. "Let me show you my ex-boyfriend on facebook/ I miss him, he took really good care of me."

AND "Wanna see the guy I kinda like? (on facebook)" ---> wtf am I supposed to do in that situation? Be like a gay guy and say 'omg ya totally!' Hell no. I figured i had no hope then. I just said "I need to study".

So in my room, I didn't even bother or think about any routines or escalations at all. I feel like I should have now, but at the time it seemed 100% I will never be able to hook up with her because she doesnt seem me the same way. And I know shes not prude.

I was showing her a cool application on my computer, I realized now I should have tried to pull the thing mentioned in The Game by Style, where she sits on your lap playing with the computer program and you kiss her on the cheek and escalate etc.

The only thing I did try at the end was when I drove her back to her place, as I pulled up, I pointed to my cheek and said "kiss goodbye?" She laughed and said "Nah bro". It wasn't awkward, but inside I was like "FUCK".

Fuck, its over right? I mean, you can't win em all so I feel like I should just forget about her, but keep her as a friend. She is a hot college party girl...

One last thing, should I text her today? Like "last night was fun blah blah..."

- Devoz

Yeah it was. If you want to get a kiss, make sure you've kino escalated so she's comfortable with at least you touching her arms and small of back. Don't ask for it, just DO it.

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You are putting too much time and energy into ONE girl. Thats your first mistake. Until you are fucking her.. you should not be commiting and working hard.

The reason for this is the longer you spend "neurtal" time with a girl (meaning non-romantic time) the lower your chances are of ever sleeping with her. You are giving her too much time to THINK and find reasons not to fuck you.

This is a golden rule of being a good PUA that too many of us forget:

Limit the time you spend with her and what you reveal to her until AFTER you've slept with her.

You might be in the friendzone already.

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Dont you never give up! Even if you are friendzoned, HB8.5 its worth trying. Just, ... dont try as hard. Game other girls

You will get her pussy and if you manage to get her pussy you outfriendzoned which is an achievemnt Well ... it would be for me. But then again I aint PUA, I am AFC

I dont think you should give up... but sometimes its better to make a friend than it is a fuck... I mean if you really want to get in there keep trying..


What i do when a girl doesn't give me a kiss in the cheek when i tell her to i just say in a joking way "what a bitch... get out of my car" usually they'll give you that kiss..

PlayHer Man,
In hindsight, I realized that studying all afternoon (but actually just chillin cause its not like we did any work) is more the type of thing you do with friends, and not hbs you wanna fuck. I think I may have caught myself with a small case of one-itis, simply cause I was just really happy to be with her cause I do kinda like her too.

Thanks a lot tieen, I thought about how AFC it was today to be in my fucking room alone with this hottie and say to myself "screw it, its not happening". Because would the alpha male do that? Or would he lead her, and go for what he wants. Or even "make the ho say no".
I think I should keep her as a friend, but maybe take another stab at the sarging in a few months while I work on other girls.

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What i do when a girl doesn't give me a kiss in the cheek when i tell her to i just say in a joking way "what a bitch... get out of my car" usually they'll give you that kiss..[/quote]

That is an awesome line! I wish I had said that, cause I can't even remember what I said but I thought she would give me a kiss so I didn't plan which was a mistake.