What if she is a virgin for religious reasons? You basically just said "Fuck your religion"

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"Shes one of those ugly ducklings from high school who realized they were gorgeous if they dressed correctly. So she wants to, just she hasnt had the chance, thats where I come in. Its at her place, she is already expecting me to crash there."

That explains it.

Ummm, yeah, she'll really throw herself at you . . . NOT.

First of all, you don't make her feel like she's done something wrong because she's still a virgin.

if she doesn't screw for religious reasons, why are you pursuing this girl?

LA - most guys when they try to fuck virgins pester them and make them feel uncomfortable and pressured. Correct? My reasoning is that you need to be the guy that is different from all the others. You respect her beliefs about waiting until marriage or whatever, but its simply not for you. If you have worked on her enough and she really likes you, she may reconsider to try to keep you.

Heartstriings first, then pussy........then asshole.

See, it's the asshole thing that makes us look bad. Not cool man.

Ok, the way your former post comes across is not saying you respect her beliefs, but that's not for you. What you said in your former post is that you make her feel like she's done or doing something wrong. That's not respecting her beliefs. Or don't you understand that man?

And yes, most guys would/do pressure a virgin into fucking them, to pop that cherry. But you know, the virgins I've been with I didn't handle that way. In fact, I pretty much pushed them away if I sensed at all that they weren't ready. But the fact is, they already wanted me so bad, they didn't want me to stop. So, just like with ANY other girl, when you push them away, they pull you back. You don't disrespect the virgin. That will make her feel even more like shit and make her think twice before she fucks another guy again . . . in other words that makes the rest of our jobs harder. Being a PUA doesn't mean being an asshole.

I guess that's why those who are more experienced agree that with the new flood of wanna be PUA's, the actual PUA's will emerge and the wanna be's will be weeded out. Believe me, if one girl thinks you're an asshole, the word will spread fast. Starbuck has even posted a comment about that. At that point, you're fucked, and not in the sack either.

perhaps my wording was a little vague but my principle is not what you mentioned. ( i was referring to fucking her asshole not being an asshole for a start)

Saying that I respect your beliefs, but its not for me is not an insensitive thing in the slightest. You are telling her where you stand on relationships. It's exactly like when a girl wants to stop you from dating other women, but you put her in your frame that is it acceptable for you because that's who you are. Its her choice to be a part of it or not.,

I dont think a girl should be offended because you don't share her beliefs. If she wants to give in and screw you because she is conforming to your beliefs, that's her decision and you are not applying pressure.

Maybe this is a high-school thing.

Actually we are talking about the same thing numnuts.

Thanks for the personal attack. I'm sure you intend to be playing, but you really need to watch how you come across to people.
LMAO. Are you trying to say I'm in high school?

which person said that you shoudl ALWAYS leave the girl in better shape then when you found her? i think style but whatever

with some of your suggestions are doing the exact opposite for your own personal gain, maybe you need to reconsider other peoples feelings too.

You know a virgin?

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tsiguy, I haven't heard that one from anyone, but I do agree with it.

Starbuck, I love that.

I really like that... it's the manipulation just for the sake of getting laid that gives PUA's a bad name... True PUA's are great lovers and great people, and should use there skills for good not evil. I like that alot, I'm going to search for a direct quote.

I agree with this concept too in theory but if you remember from the game Stlye mentioned that in reality this wasnt the case - which was one reason he suggested he left the game.

The only way most girls will truly be happy with you is if you are monogomous. If we didn't believe in strategies to break down a womans barriers and get laid, none of us would be in the game in the first place.

LA - my comment was meant in a light way (as you mentioned). I enjoy these little discussions on this site and don't mind a bit of banter along the way and I'm not bother how people perceive it. Keep up the good work.

I personally dont know any virgins so this must be a high school thing.