I'm reading the relationships section in 60 years of challenge, and am a bit confused. It talks about how you have to follow her agenda, or she will find a guy who will follow her agenda. The example went something like this.

"I can't be with you forever. I need someone serious. (hint hint)"

My ex told me I needed to be serious, but I thought it was a shit test! Now I'm confused... How am I suppose to differentiate a shit test and her agenda?

Thats pure shit. I live by the opposite rule. She needs to follow MY agenda or I will find someone who will. I just posted a thread on this topic two days ago. Its a good read:

paul-janka-talks-about-changing-yoursel ... 80087.html

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WTf.... then what's her agenda???

her agenda is whatever she wants out of the relationship, you don't comply->get get tossed aside, so to speak.

This usually happens when the guy can't use his 'next-card' anymore because.
1. He already has
2. He already has and came crawling back (his next card was a bluff)
3. She knows you're a pussy.


Shit tests shouldn't be answered in the first place because like not following her agenda it baits you into breaking rapport with her. And breaking rapport means making it easier for her to say fuck off.


Either way

you either agree or STFU



@playherman,

Please think before posting.

All you did was hijack the thread to get viewers on your thread, which would be okay, if you gave some value along your post.

@Vaj... the intention wasn't to hijack the thread. I felt my thread would be very helpful to the OP.

I agree with the first part of what you said. I disagree with the part directed at me.

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I just wanna be 100 sure. So when my ex told me she wanted me to be more serious, it was her agenda? (Not shit test?) I could've done the following?:

1) "Alright, I'll be more serious"
2) ".........." (Silence)
3) Move closer to her and escalate

Personally I like option 3. However, at this time, I was an idiot and just mocked her playfully, which seemed to piss her off more.

The difference between a shit test and her agenda is that a shit test is more of a busting your balls type of thing and she's testing to see if you're man enough to be with her. Her agenda is what she's looking for in a partner.

If she says "I want you to be more serious" then you should be more serious. Not everything you learn in the game applies to a woman's thought process.

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You should only be more serious if thats what you want. Its about what you BOTH want as a couple. Not just what she wants.

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Thank you for correcting me there.

Key word: Compromise

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Thanks for the posts guys.

Because it was brought up in this thread, I'll go ahead and ask a question about it instead of making a new thread for it.

So this next method, we are suppose to use it when you see bad qualities in your girl, early in the relationship. The part that I don't get is how you are suppose to use it. Do you convey it verbally, "You keep acting like that and it's over". Or more non verbally, "Wait, so do you always act like that. Oh wow... (Ugly/What did I get myself into face)"

in my experience its always been the man who sets the terms, who brings the woman into his world. I've always found it best to deal with difficulty in my own way and satisfy whatever she says she wants. You tell her you will be more serious and then deal with things how you will. Obviously you have to make some sort of change or she'll keep on bringing it up but deal with this in YOUR way. If you do things the way she tells you to not only do you step down from your role as the man in the relationship and she may lose interest in you, you will also be feeding into what could possibly cause more tension. Deal with her problem on your terms. Done and done.

Thanks for your post. If anyone could answer my question about using the Next Card, don't be shy. Thanks in advance.

None verbally. Its never a good idea to make verbal threats to women.

The main idea is not to be a doormat.

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I fail to see what the point of escalating on her is when you're already in a relationship with her.........

Please explain.


As on nexting:
It's only gonna work if you're already established yourself as a man who doesn't fear walking away. If you've been being a pussy since that you met her (aka being a nice guy) she won't have it when you say/convey NEXT!.
If you did you can do it either both ways, the point will come across.

Most of the stuff that's been asked in this thread is covered by 60 in his 4 books. As Vaj already said, the next card is really useful and only useful if she knows you have other women other than her that you can easily get with if/when she messes up. Aka, you're a man, not a pussy.

He also talks about how he screens a girl for something like 3 months (someone correct me if I'm wrong) to find out if she's girlfriend material. She screws up, it doesn't matter cause you haven't put any real value into the whole thing. I was already doing something similar before I read that, but it's really useful if you're looking for a LTR.

So in a nutshell, go out and get 60's stuff and read every one of his books in order. It's really really good stuff to add on to what you're already doing. It's just like what David D says about C+F, it's a spice. Well IMO 60's stuff is too since I use it with other material I've read/learned.

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