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I've been reading your thread and blog for sometime now, so I've been here almost everyday for the last week or so just combing through all this to reap your valuable knowledge. I want to say thank you so much for your glorious insight into social interactions, body language, relationships, and what I need to do to become a better person.

I think the great thing about what it is that you're doing here is that you're also giving me advice on how to become a better person IN ADDITION to how I can be more savvy with the ladies. You've literally changed everything about my game from how I smile to the way I walk and I must say the results are super positive. I'm much more confident with women now AND confident in myself.

What's even more impressive is that you've done an amazing job describing BL with only your words and experiences. I think I speak on behalf of the entire PUA community when I say that a video outlining Your Approach would be SUPER HELPFUL. This way people can actually see how someone with a lot of experience with Natural Game uses the tactics to make approaches, closes, etc.

Once again, you're unbelievable for putting up this information. I used a more PUA style approach before finding your thread (canned openers, card board approaches, etc) but I think you've shown me my true calling: NATURAL GAME. Thank you for revealing the world of Natural Game to me, because I'd literally be sunk without it. I think about this thread everyday along with your advice on Natural Game , because it makes the "better me" shine brighter.

Keep Rockin' Dude. You have a major supporter of your blog, thread and video right here.

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Thanks for the serious amount of love. I truly appreciate it.

Yeah, I am definitely a subscriber of the policy of improving yourself. Not to many of these guys seem to put that at the top of the list, kind of upsetting. I am also a big fan of making people feel good(compliment over neg), not to many of the people believe in it, I do.

When it comes to approaching it is as simple as walking up and saying "hi, my name is...." (in fact it is such a confident gesture to do it like this) or compliment their style(apparel, jewelry, etc.), make an observation. The content of the statements is far less important than the body language involved(humor is an obvious plus to start), you are literally just trying to talk, it doesn't matter what about initially. I don't have a set plan or know how I do anything, if I want to talk someone I shouldn't need an excuse, just talk to them.

I am at the point where I got an idea of a person's mood just by looking at them, so I can comment at that, identify with them, etc. I just kind of go with the flow(you'd know what I meant if we met). I roll with confident non-threatening body language in a very relaxed matter. I just kind of meet people, not necessarily just women. When you know more than a few people in the bar, both guys and girls you gain a social proof, oh everyone knows that guys he is bla bla, he is a cool cat.

Keep in mind it is just natural, you aren't planning anything. I can't film me doing something, you have to be you so it can be natural. What is within the character of my realm is much different than what is in the character of your realm and vice versa. If your a goofy person be a goofy person, if you are direct person be direct, just be yourself. Just make sure your non-threatening and make people feel good, and you will always be liked/loved.

What I do in an approach will undoubtedly be different than what you do. I think everyone should be able to just walk up and say Hi and introduce themselves. I like to say "Hi, I just felt obligated to introduce myself, I am bla bla", this is a charming line and it does take a bit of confidence. Just walk up and say how's it going, I have works fine.

Emphasis on These Signs Being Everywhere

I have seen all of these happen to me. Even more importantly I have seen them happen every where to everyone, don't glorify these stories as if they are different from reality because they are just a part of reality. I just want to emphasize these are everyday signs. I can go to a shopping mall and spot it. Go to a grocery store, book store, clothing, etc.

As far as my personal experiences these aren't just things that happen to me. This isn't just my experiences, these stories are sometimes friends, family, me, as well as complete strangers. I try and show you guys multiple perspectives, when I am involved, third person, or complete stranger. These are things YOU see all the time, now you just are finding out what you should notice. I have these stories happen in front around me and to me all the time, so do you.

Sorry I just know some people out there think oh well that never happens around me, because it does it is what I see every day. Some people will ignore the signs saying that never happens, it always happens. I could write something every day if I went to a decent enough environment and had the time.

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A suggestion for everyone is to watch "The Science of Sex Appeal" great documentary on attraction. Worth your time if you like the stuff I talk about, plus it is great conversation piece later.

Also I got kind of stuck on this show called Lie to Me starring Tim Roth, the character is based on a real person. Paul Ekman a legend in the body language community when it comes to deception. The science isn't perfect but Ekman has a blog where he writes about the true contents of the show and expands in some cases. Most of the stuff is absolutely accurate(I can't think of any false tells in the show) in the body language world.

The stories are obviously fictional and not always even good, but the science bit for me is worth it for me. Hope none of you guys hate it. There are some very good close ups on eye dilation and some discussions on arousal regarding it in the pilot episode. There are some cool things in that show.

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Ok, I'll admit to not having read through all 10 pages, but I went through about 3 and a half, and applied some of the body language recognizing concepts, and got many smiles, a few numbers (four to be specific 8)) and a kiss.
I now have these numbers, and I can't quite figure out how to use them with the knowledge presented here. Natural game becomes difficult to take to the phone. So, do you have any advice on material for the phone or maybe a book that would relate to this dilemma?
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Ok, I'll admit to not having read through all 10 pages, but I went through about 3 and a half, and applied some of the body language recognizing concepts, and got many smiles, a few numbers (four to be specific 8)) and a kiss.
I now have these numbers, and I can't quite figure out how to use them with the knowledge presented here. Natural game becomes difficult to take to the phone. So, do you have any advice on material for the phone or maybe a book that would relate to this dilemma?
Thank you.
Conversation is an entirely different part of natural game. When it comes to conversation I would read a book called How to Talk to Anyone by Leil Lowndes, it is a book with like 92 tips on conversation. It is a decent enough book some stuff you will likely know and more than a few you won't. I can tell you all sorts about conversation but for me that is an entirely different animal.

For the most part ask, and listen. That is the key to talking to women, they will mention something sounding mundane(to men that is), ask her about it. Listen for specifics, if a women says hey I went and did this, ask her how it was, she will mention more about it. If there is a hesitation and they are quiet a women loves to hear the words, What are you thinking about?

Listening for nouns was mentioned on another thread.
Example:
I went to the MALL with TINA today over in SOMEPLACE.

Possible questions are endless.
Wow I havent' been to the mall in a minute, what did you get?
What did you do at the mall?
I've been meaning to check that spot out, is there a BLANK shop there?

Who is Tina?
How is Tina?
What has Tina been up to?

I haven't been to SOMEPLACE for a while, how was the drive?
How is the mall in SOMEPLACE?
What is the fastest way to get to SOMEPLACE, I got to got there soon.

Seriously that was nine questions off of an 11 word sentence, and it can be easily made into even more questions. This is one of the best tips I have read on conversation.

Another great thing for conversation, is to say the last few words of their sentence with an inquisitive tone.

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Over in SOMEPLACE? A women will expand on whatever she is passionate about and all you have to do is listen and ask.

The key to having anyone(especially women) enjoy a conversation is to listen that is it.

Those two tips should be able to hold you through any conversation.

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There is something I have been doing to girls lately, a form of direct game. It has to be said that I am a big fan of 60 Years of Challenge's philosophy on pick up. Always building sexual tension, that seems to be a simplified part of his philosophy. So I have expanded on this with body language.

I will be talking to a girl, with me often times sex is brought up(I have a quick wit with sexual jokes), I will say things that every girl likes. I would lick your thigh, can I nibble your neck, want to make out, can I bite your lip, etc. Than I observe for reaction, most girls won't get offended by any of those statements. I am a bit bolder than most and I do this with girls I have known for a while( though I have said it to girls I just met too). Girls I know are attracted to me.

Often times when I get their reaction I tell them what I saw. "I seen that pupil dilation", you kind of want to/me to. It is a sign of arousal. I will also point out other signs biting their lip, looking down, eyes accessing thoughts/imagination, bedroom eyes, facial reaction(comfortable/uncomfortable), submissive, etc. Basically I read them and tell them in a goofy way that they are into the concept and I could tell.

With girls it is easy to see when they are aroused by statements. There was this girl that I would interact with quite a bit. With her I knew she was a pretty sexual girl(openly that is unashamed) so I would say some crazy stuff to her(very sexual stuff) and observe her reaction. She tried to turn around after I said something and I said "just because your turning around doesn't mean I can't tell your biting your lip."

This girl in particular bites the side of her lip, she moved her eyes to access thoughts, and pupil dilation occurs(she spoke with her body language), I smile and say things like "ooooh, my house or yours?" She told me that that particular thought aroused her without saying a word. I have done this with more than a few girls, but with this particular girl I had built the sexual tension so high that she text me to come over on the first day she had my number. She had literally dreamed of me, I had some how built up the tension so far. I consistently joke about sex, and she knew there was a bit of truth to some of the statements. A girl will tell you a lot with her body language.

Sometimes you can indirectly talk about it and watch for a reaction, then comment. Perhaps speaking about something a friend of yours did or you did with past girls, see their reaction. Sometimes it will arouse a girl and it is fun from there on.

Because you are mentioning things you can do together, will do(with someone), or things you have done can open up her mind. You start having her thinking about sex and more importantly they are associating those sexual thoughts with you. They are imagining and wondering. Girls love to live in their imagination, we all do, you can do anything in your imagination. That sexual tension builds to a point where it has to be done just because there is so much sexual tension.

Ask some questions about this guys because it is a very wide topic in itself.

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I'm quite new to PU and this is the best info i've found so far, there's a lot of stuff here so i'm sure i'll be re-reading this tread again and again.

While talking sexually to women have you ever recieved negative signals and if you have how did you diffuse the negative reaction?


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I'm quite new to PU and this is the best info i've found so far, there's a lot of stuff here so i'm sure i'll be re-reading this tread again and again.

While talking sexually to women have you ever recieved negative signals and if you have how did you diffuse the negative reaction?
Something I have to say is while a lot of people talk about not apologizing, I do believe in apologizing if you make a mistake. This goes back to being a powerful human being. A powerful influencing human always makes people feel good. If you can tell someone their right and apologize that can make them feel better about a situation. I am always willing to take the blame, even if I wasn't in the wrong.

Sometimes you can salvage the situation, sometimes you may have to let it go. Until your social skills are on par, neutralizing really requires some words when you offend someone. Adding the sweet talking feature to your game is never bad, corny is charming believe it or not. Sometimes you can get away with just showing you are harmless and didn't mean it(silently act innocent and harmless). You do have to pick and choose your battles, some girls just aren't worth your time anyways.

Body language wise you need to look harmless and apologetic. I shrug my shoulders, turn my head, smile, open arms/palms, look up with my head down eyes up, like the kid acting like he is sorry basically. I look harmless and apologize for any way I may have offended them. Your tone should sound non-threatening and apologetic. A somewhat submissive action to let them know you didn't mean anything by how you may have offended her.

Giving someone their space is sometimes a good thing. Basically you need to back it up just a little, you over stepped your bounds, back it up and you should be ok as long as you didn't offend her too much. Or make her too uncomfortable. Basically you are looking to give her more comfort.

In order for her to feel comfortable she has to realize you are non-threatening body language wise, obviously you can't be a douche bag also. The easiest way to make them comfortable is to show them you are harmless, and give them their space. Don't corner them, they should feel they can get away if they want.

Is that good? Or what more do you need. Neutralizing via words is an entirely different topic. The thread can turn as I think the body language out put is nearly complete.

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Respecting Women

It isn't Disrespectful to Respect her Wishes. She wishes you would make a move, she wishes you would go much further in most cases, she wishes you would fuck her brains out. I have a friend, same guy I was once. A guy who had plenty and I mean plenty opportunities but was absolutely clueless. He like me is a late bloomer(later than I). Like me again he is a Mama's boy. We were raised in a very similar manner, both of us were raised to respect a women. So we respect them, but now we respect them differently. We respect them not just because we don't want to hurt them or just because we don't want to feel as though we use them. We respect them because it was ingrained in us.

I don't know how many of you guys were this guy or feel this way, but I know more than a few of you guys give women a Different Respect than they want. My friend in this particular case has a hard time advancing on a girl. I certainly understand, I was there once. His statement was "I don't want it to be that way". He didn't want to feel as though he was using her or disrespecting, especially since he liked her. Well in this particular girl I happen to have inside experience with her, she loves sex, is very sexually active. She is quite sexual and a damn good time, I wish he would just go for it.

We were talking and he said "He knew he probably could of but..." several excuses. I was like "probably could of, "probably should of." It occurred to me that I was this guy once. I was the guy who wouldn't advance. I was the guy that thought I was giving her the type of respect she wanted. The guy who wanted to do so many things to a girl but felt that it wasn't what she wanted. I felt those "lusts" were disrespectful. I was that guy.

It isn't disrespectful to expect her to want sex. It certainly is disrespectful to not respect her wishes. She wishes that you would fuck her brains out, a lot of guys don't get it. Girls when having good sex have a far greater time than guys do, multiple types of orgasms, multiple orgasms, longer orgasms, etc. They love sex, while I have talked about this already, it is a problem that many of you guys need to confront. I stand by my statement, I have never met a girl who loves sex less then men(and was mentally sexually healthy).

Women love to be wanted, they wear these clothes because they want to be wanted. The fact that you want them isn't bad, it is good, it is what they want. They want sex, your job is to give them what they want. Having sex with a women is in no way disrespecting her(as long as it is consensual), wanting to have sex with them isn't either. Having sex is respecting them. Having sex is respecting her wishes.

The problem with you guys wanting to wait is that sex is something they want. If they aren't getting it from you they will go get it from somewhere. Keep that in mind, if a person isn't getting sex from where they want they will go elsewhere. This is what happens in unfaithful relationships, they aren't getting what they need(sometimes it isn't sexual related) so they go elsewhere. My friend is putting off sex with this girl, his could ofs may be at some point be only could ofs. He has only been hanging with her. She on the other hand is seeing multiple people and although she likes him(he's her favorite) it is absolutely inevitable, if she don't get sex from him, it will be one of those other guys. If you don't make advances towards them, they will feel you don't like him. What does that mean? She will move on.

Respect a Women's wishes, fuck her brains out. Do everything she wants(which is much more than you may think). Just remember to Respect her and do what she wants, Respect her Wishes. Respecting her wishes is giving her sex. Respecting her is showing you want her(at a certain point). Change your mindset guys, this girl was upset that he didn't have sex with her(her and I do talk a lot). She was sad he didn't make a move.

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I have never met a girl who loves sex less then men(and was mentally sexually healthy).
Yes average woman may love sex than average man, but that quote is overstatement imho. Take out of those girls you met the one who wanted sex the least and still say that even her wanted it more than all men? I don't know mate ... I think you go overboard a little bit.


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Yes average woman may love sex than average man, but that quote is overstatement imho. Take out of those girls you met the one who wanted sex the least and still say that even her wanted it more than all men? I don't know mate ... I think you go overboard a little bit.
Girls that don't love sex in my personal experiences have a past negative experience that is not within the norm. That was why I said mentally sexually healthy. A women who has a healthy outlook on sex(which isn't a guarantee) always enjoys sex more then men. Some girls have past sexual issues, in this case you aren't a psychologist so I wouldn't recommend trying to straighten these girls out.

One of the girls I have been talking to, grew up super conservative religious type. Has 2 kids, no cussing, very pure and innocent, she loves sex. She doesn't say it, but I say somethings and get little statements out of her. Don't tease me, sighs, shows she really wants too with her body language. The girl my buddy was seeing from BYU(strict guidelines and codes NO SEXUAL ACTIVITY ALLOWED while attending the university) was super sexual when they were alone together she was all up on him.

The question isn't whether a women enjoys sex. The question is whether she enjoys sex or the concept of sex with you. Women(mentally healthy) have a far better time during good sex than men do.

Some women choose to not enjoy sex due to the guilt society seems to impose on them. Women aren't given the ability to openly enjoy sex, you have to take that into consideration. If you want a women to admit she loves sex, loves it more than you, then she needs to be comfortable enough to admit it to you. She has to trust you won't judge her, I am very good at getting girls to trust me because I don't see having a strong sexuality as a bad thing.

Sure there are girls that don't like sex, I'd wager that those who don't enjoy sex have a negative experience in nearly all cases. In some cases they had a careless partner and weren't given someone who truly cared or tried to please her. Other cases perhaps sexual abuse. Tons of excuses but something out there that may have ruined sex. You can step in and perhaps repair their idea of sex with you, that is on you.

That was however why I wrote that a mentally sexually healthy women loves sex more then men. Some women don't have a healthy outlook on sex and feel guilt and shame because of society or parents or whatever, in these cases obviously their mindset ruins sex. This is an unhealthy outlook on sex, it is hard to enjoy sex if you see it as a negative. If you see sex as shameful it will have it's taboo, but some women won't get into it as that and will truly feel terrible.

Again I say women love sex more then men(when sexually healthy). This is a statement I have never had a women deny. Not once has a women told me they think they enjoy sex less then men. Unless that is that it is bad sex. I have never been corrected, until I come across a women who truly doesn't like sex more then men(and is mentally healthy) I will continue to say it. Girls that don't have orgasms I have come across(they never gave me the opportunity), were still far more sexual than some of the men.

I think that you should change your mindset on this it is the reality of the world we are moving into. Women love sex, and they love it more then men. I suggest you realize this. When women are comfortable with you and trust you enough they admit it without any shame, it is because people judge them over their driving primal sexual urges that make them hold back.

I don't know maybe a women will change my perspective one day, but until then my statement stands. I will gladly eat crow and admit it should someone shoot it down. They may not be as focused on sex as much as men in some cases but they always enjoy it more in my personal experiences.

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You might have mentioned this somewhere,I didn't read all the posts(although I do intend to,they're great)
Say you're talking to somebody,keeping eye contact and suddenly your consciousness arises,and you find it hard to keep eye contact.
What is the best thing to do in this situation ? If you force eye contact,will they instinctively realize (provided they don't know anything about body language) ?


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You might have mentioned this somewhere,I didn't read all the posts(although I do intend to,they're great)
Say you're talking to somebody,keeping eye contact and suddenly your consciousness arises,and you find it hard to keep eye contact.
What is the best thing to do in this situation ? If you force eye contact,will they instinctively realize (provided they don't know anything about body language) ?
Hold eye contact, it takes a little bit to build the confidence of being able to hold eye contact but you need to hold eye contact. Consciously make an effort. You want to make sure you don't submit before them, if you look away then they win. Forcing eye contact sounds so rough, I prefer to say making eye contact. Just keep holding yourself strong, if you sit there and look away with each girl then they will all feel you have low confidence. Make eye contact and hold it, don't worry too much about anything else.

With women they rarely don't know when we are uncomfortable. Their brains are wired to read emotion so that they can figure out what is wrong(babies don't tell them what is wrong, they read it). Check out 60 YOC he talks about how you should hold eye contact and risk awkwardness, it takes confidence to not make it awkward but you can definitely do it.

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That was however why I wrote that a mentally sexually healthy women loves sex more then men.
No need to tell that. I was also talking about mentally and sexually healthy women only when making my statement
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Again I say women love sex more then men(when sexually healthy). This is a statement I have never had a women deny. Not once has a women told me they think they enjoy sex less then men.
But most men would probably say the same - they don't think they enjoy sex less than a woman. Plus how can you measure how much you like something and compare with other persons liking "level"? Most people love sex and its difficult for them to even imagine someone loving it even more :D
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I think that you should change your mindset on this it is the reality of the world we are moving into. Women love sex, and they love it more then men. I suggest you realize this.
I don't need to realize that, I know that average woman enjoys sex more than average man.
What I dissagre is that ANY (yes yes speaking only about sexually and mentally healthy) woman love sex more than all men. Like make top 1000 women and top 1000 men and the very last woman of that top1000 list enjoys it more than ANY men of mens top1000. I disagree with that. Its overstatement.
Why I disagree? Most woman I had sex with enjoyed more than me, but there were few that enjoyed it on the same level as me. And taking me as an average man we can give it that there are many men who enjoy sex more than me. So all those men enjoy sex more than those few women I am talking about as well.


Bottom line I agree that most of them enjoy it more but I don't agree with you saying that ANY (yes yes again sexually healthy and all) woman enjoys it more than all men.

Hope you understand my position.
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PS: This stuff that you always tell about women loving sex more than men is great, because it boost confidence of any man reading this thread. One of the key points of the thread and even of the whole picking up game. I am sure there already have been situations like for instance a dude being in a romantic moment with a girl and thinking "what if she won't like the idea of having sex now" and then suddenly - but I read in the thread of poeticlyskuac that they love sex, I should go for it. I am sure there were results already based on this single thing you say all the time. So its great.


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Hi
You might have mentioned this somewhere,I didn't read all the posts(although I do intend to,they're great)
Say you're talking to somebody,keeping eye contact and suddenly your consciousness arises,and you find it hard to keep eye contact.
What is the best thing to do in this situation ? If you force eye contact,will they instinctively realize (provided they don't know anything about body language) ?
Hold eye contact, it takes a little bit to build the confidence of being able to hold eye contact but you need to hold eye contact. Consciously make an effort. You want to make sure you don't submit before them, if you look away then they win. Forcing eye contact sounds so rough, I prefer to say making eye contact. Just keep holding yourself strong, if you sit there and look away with each girl then they will all feel you have low confidence. Make eye contact and hold it, don't worry too much about anything else.

With women they rarely don't know when we are uncomfortable. Their brains are wired to read emotion so that they can figure out what is wrong(babies don't tell them what is wrong, they read it). Check out 60 YOC he talks about how you should hold eye contact and risk awkwardness, it takes confidence to not make it awkward but you can definitely do it.
Good tip, but in some rare occasions the girl does not look away and does not let you "win" it. Its crazy. But its good for me because I polished my own opener for these situations, that works very well. I be like - why are you looking so mad at me (of course they don't look mad, just don't turn away eye contact). They always go "nah I am not mad at you blah blah". May sound nothing special but I never had bad response to this opener in that kind of situation :D


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Good tip, but in some rare occasions the girl does not look away and does not let you "win" it. Its crazy. But its good for me because I polished my own opener for these situations, that works very well. I be like - why are you looking so mad at me (of course they don't look mad, just don't turn away eye contact). They always go "nah I am not mad at you blah blah". May sound nothing special but I never had bad response to this opener in that kind of situation :D
Yeah, that is a great tip. We all have different character, I would say something similar in some cases. Most of the time I just keep looking, dependent on how comfortable she is with me, if she has already showed signs of attraction I will hold it. If you are making solid eye contact they might say "what?", I just look over and repeat it, "what?" I tend to just maintain, let the tension build, as I said a huge fan of 60 YOC.

This is a true story though, if the tension is unbearable it is a good call to say something. Nice addition!

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