So I'm at my local dive bar recently and approach an HB with her unattractive, fat friend. I open easily by asking for a cigarette and take a seat at their table (across from HB, next to fatty...just how the seating worked out). Now in classic Mystery Method style I proceeded to Neg the target a tad while ignoring her and talking to the fatty. This went on for maybe 10 or 15 minutes or so before we all started talking and then I slowly began focusing on the target. Well, I guess that 10 or 15 minutes was enough for the fatty because she began to stroke my leg under the table as I was in a comfort building convo with the HB about her experiences in Russia. It was a good conversation, but the groping was pretty distracting (and creepy) so I adjusted myself after a couple of minutes hinting that she should stop. She got the message. Everything else was going fine and I actually isolated the target for a few minutes and built fairly good repoire. I was debating number closing on this one but I soon found out that these girls had been texting each other all night about "things they couldn't say during the conversation." I took that to mean the fatty told the HB about her interest in me. At that point I didn't really feel like number closing since it would have depressed the hell out of this fat chick who already has pretty low self-esteem as it is I assume. Its likely I'll see these girls again at this bar, and I told them to make an effort to come back as the conversation was good. If the HB returns I will absolutely try to number close on her, but I have a few questions concerning the night that I'll throw out there:

1) Was there a way to improve my seating situation pre-isolation so the groping would have never occurred?

2) Did I spend to long ignoring the target? I felt I did a good job, but I guess it was too good.

3) Should I have pushed for a number close? If so, how? Mind you it would have been right in front of the fat chick.

Any general comments would be helpful. My game is coming along nicely as I've got two LTR's going right now but I think I need to develop more of a sense of both urgency and sexual tension (sometimes it comes naturally, but that needs to be something I can flick on like a light switch).

-Esperanto

Its these types of situations you really need a wing with you. The uglier the obstacle the more dangerous she becomes.

Especially if she gets jealous she will pull the HB out of the conversation and will try to leave.

You gotta ignore the target, as you are already doing but ideally u want to pull her out. Have your wing swoop in 2-3 minutes before you want to isolate the target and have him keep the obstacle busy.

If you dont have a wing....maybe the next time you see the two of them pay more attention to the target. I mean having a fat chick (and i really hope that she is REALLY fat or else it would be just rude lol) rub ur thigh is just nasty...but its a good challenge.

thats kind of a sad story. you probably gave the fat girl some IOIs and if you run game on her friend it might serve to really crush her ego.

the ideal solution is the indiscriminate wingman. i had a wing a few years back who had a hot gf, so he would screw around on her with ugos for plausible deneyability. best wing ever.

hope that never happens to me.

good luck.

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Silverback

at the point when you are talking to the friend wouldn't you have been having just normal conversation with her. i always thought the idea was to give attention to the group, but not to initially come off as if you are hitting on them. I don't know if you were doing this or not, but I suppose she still could have just became attracted to you and took that as enough to start with the groaping.

Yea, I wasn't coming off as hitting on them. I ESPECIALLY wasn't hitting on the fat chick. She did keep feeding me cigarettes all night (to the point where I didn't even need to ask)...I guess she was trying to buy my love or something.