Tonight I went to a coffee shop and wanted to just start a convo with a girl. I didn't want to care about making it for sure a pickup. Luckily, the girl seemed to really open up immediately. I commented on her sweatshirt because she went to the same school as me and so we talked for a while her friend cam over and we all both started talking. The first girl was definately the target so I didn't give her all the attention. The said they were down the street studying and that I could stop by if I liked. I said I would in about a half an hour. I kept studying and eventually and met up with those two and their guy friend about a block away. We had a nice convo and I noticed a few things.

First, my body language is already becoming more natural. I lean back, look up, don't smile to much (as to appear overly interested).

Second, it is a lot easier to not feel awkard when more (friendly and social) people are in a group together. I think if I would have been alone there would have been more awkward silences. Luckily, these girls were actually quite social so they did a lot of talking. I really didn't share many stories of mine, they more between them perhaps to show off to me. The first girl was probably mildly interested in me. I was getting some head tilts and good body language from her. I made her laugh a few times. She wasn't uncomfortable with me. She mentioned that she should probably get home since they weren't getting anything done. I agreed and decided to eject. I said it was a pleasure meeting them and that they were a lot of fun. They worked at a bar I went to everynow and then so I said I would probably see them there. I wanted to number close, but I honestly didn't know how to do it with the others there. I hadn't done any kino (i wasn't in the postion to really...my fault) and I didn't know if I should get multiple numbers or only the girl I was interested in.

I have improved in my approach anxiety and I definately did better in my converstational skills and overall body language, but I would like any tips on how to better handle the situation, especially how to go about making a number close happen. If I left any important details out let me fill you in. Thanks

I know what you are going through. Its tough, but that is why we are here. We help you, you help us.

Now first of all I don't know what was involved in your routine at the coffee shop, but you'll need to isolate your target. That is where a good wing man comes into play. If you don't have a good wing man and if you don't see her at the coffee shop alone next time, then just do it yourself. You must hit that set with some opener like jealous girl friend that will envolve both girls. Eventually you must DHV her and make some intelligent observations about her like Neuro Linguistic Programming. Do the CUBE or something like that. I don't know what you know, but include this within your next meeting. Sounds like you did a good job the first time, but its time to seal the deal!

Number closing is tricky. Its all about the timing. Do not attempt this at the bar they work at. You don't do this on their turf, you do it on your's. Bring her to your world! Hang out at that coffee shop where you met her. Within your set, ask her what she does for fun? Tell her that you and your friends are going to be doing "x". Build this up. If its a club say how bad ass it is and how much fun you all have. Try to say something funny too within it. Then don't invite her, at least yet. Talk to her more and DHV (this is the key), end the set on a high. DO NOT ignore her friend, you must involve her. When you are on that high, maybe 20-30 mins into it, you must say that you need to get back to what you are doing, but they should hang out with you and your friends doing "x" that you built up before. At this point ASSUME THE SELL. After you say you guys should hang out with us, you say "I will call you". Pull out some paper and pen and write your number on it give it to her along with the pen and another piece of paper. She should know what to do with it. If not then its not a good sign, but usually if you get this far, it has a very high success rate.

The number close above is from Style.

My number close that I use sometimes is...
I build up an "x" then later I say should should come, "I'll call you, what's your number". Don't say it like you are asking her either. ASSUME YOUR SELL.

I hope this helps. Follow up on what you do. Good luck.

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thanks for the help. i am not to confident using routines. i have been trying to just develop impromptu game and work on approach anxiety. I will take your advice though. I suppose I should have just asked the target to give me her number so I could invite her out sometime. I might have done it if she hadn't mentioned that she was going to a birthday party out of town earlier in the night. I figured two weeks was probably too long. I have a feeling I will see them again at this area, so I will try more stuff next time I see her/them. THanks for the help.

http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/04_S ... sing.shtml

You might like one of those.

Number closing is easy stuff once you get used to it.

"(originally suggested by Mystery) When you do the #close, don't just trade numbers, accompany it with a humorous "But when I call you, I don't want you to answer "Huh? Who? Ah… its you… ee… so… howzit going…", I want you to act really enthusiastic and happy, like "Oh, you called! God I'm so glad!!", ok? Is that a deal?:)" This ends the close on a very light, friendly and positive note plus automatically kick-starts the phone call on that very same note:) Additionally you can end the phone call in the same manner: "So when we meet, I want you to smile, give me a big warm friendly hug and take my hand:) Deal:)?" End the phone call and start the meeting with these and you'll have removed many an obstacle from your path to being one with the girl:)"

Stuff like that occasionally makes me think there may be more to Mystery than a bad dress sense and a pony tail. Good advice there.

thanks for the help, that page was very nice. so should I have addressed the girl i was interested in when #closing? I just get the feeling it would have been strange for her and me since there were two other people there. i really couldn't think of a way to isolate her since they were kinda busy studying.

I would have addressed both girls, while looking at the target. "Girls, I'm off. We should do this again some time."

okay, that is a good suggestion. i guess i need to practice more in situations like this and see what sort of responses I get. Ideally, the one or both of the girls would offer me their number(s) (IDEALLY!). Of course I could also get some hesitation on their parts to put themselves out there. I mean, we got along great and I think the target was into me or at least wanted to get to know me better, but I suppose I could get some other responses like well maybe we'll see you around or something like that. Anyone have any tips on how to move from this point.

"That would be good. Give me your number and I'll call you."

That should move things forward

Uggg, I know, i gotta put more on the line. Lesson learned.

Yeh, there's no easy way to put it. You have to overcome your fears of social interaction on every level. You need the self belief to be able to say whatever you like to anyone you like, and to know that you can control your interaction with them so completely that you will get the result you are aiming for.

I know it sounds silly, but at the end of the day, the only girl that would want to date a girl is a lesbian. So unless you are trying to pick up lesbians, you need to be a man.

There is no right and wrong thing to say when asking for a girl's number. There is a right and wrong way to say it though. Every famous mPUA you have ever heard it, be it Ross Jeffries, Style, Mystery, Lovedrop, Matador, Tylerdurden... all they try to do is to model the behaviour of "naturals".

"You should not directly ask for a number." Is just a conclusion that has been drawn as a general rule. In my experience, that is only a partially correct observation. Each girl is different and each interaction you engineer is different, and each interaction therefore has its own rules.

I know some girls who would not give their numbers to Casanova himself if he didn't directly ask them for it. On the other hand it is a good indication that you have done well in your sarge if the girl offers it to you without too much hassle.

I should write a book too

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