It's something that's been developing inside me for a while now. I've had rough experiences first hand where I've gone down that road and gotten very involved with a woman only to have her change her mind at a whim, and pick up and move on with a "Get over it" attitude. I've never met a woman thus far in my time where risking that again is even worth it.

Girls can freely use and manipulate men their in relationships with just to use them for money, social status, and so many other things that dont even pertain to a healthy relationship. Women's vengeful and competitive nature will always have a hold on us. Lets face it, if there's something we do that they dont like, they can go out any night of the week and fuck a stranger and come home with the biggest smiles on their faces knowing what they did. Push a girl's button and this can become a reality. The only thing that stops women from doing this? Pressure from other women. They're so competitive and judgemental by nature that they'll second guess this only because of dropping their own personal value in the eyes of other women before considering whether it'd be a moral issue.

I used to give them all the benefit of the doubt. Yet, I think as a society, women will always have that upper hand. Their not dumb either, and I honestly believe ANY women will use this to their advantage when they want. And why not? We've dug our own hole. We live in a generation where women have 100% of the power. All of the battle hardened PUA's get laid, getting pussy but being in a relationship of this calibur are two different things and I believe you can agree with me. We dont know a girl from a few dates and a fuck or two...but I believe that they all risk falling into the same ugly patterns.

Most of society victimizes the man whenever a relationship goes sour -

"Oh, well I guess he couldn't keep her interested...."

It's more than natural to assume the blame is in the man's hands. What happens with these precious girls we've learned all of this for? Not a damn thing. The lack of responsibility a woman has is astounding when you really think of it.

What about rape? When a girl screams rape, the world stops. Media has field days with rape cases depicting an innocent girl and the evil savage man who stole her innocence. I cant begin to tell you through studies just how many cases of rape turned out to be false in the US and the UK. Women having their own agendas of doing it. Revenge on an ex lover? Attention? And one case, a girl tried to send a man to prison because she wanted to take the attention away from her bad grades in school.

I wont say that TRUE rape does not exist. The men that truly force themselves on women deserve to be castrated, but those true cases are only a small portion of total rape cases that have been filed over the years,

When you first meet a woman, obviously any of these hidden traits will not be noticeable. Take her out on a few dates, develop a close relationship, and get to know her deeper than the mask she puts on on those friday nights. Deep down, I honestly believe they're all capable of using the womanly powers us men have given to them. And what can we do about it?

Alimony
Child Support (Women given the favor 98% of time regardless of how fit or unfit they are)
Princess Syndrome

Im not trying to start an anti-woman rally or anything, but even though I've known all of these things throughout my years, I always have given women the benefit of the doubt. And eventually, they're core personalities come out.

Another thing that I've noticed...and alot of us can agree on is that when a woman is looking for revenge, they do not take the higher road. I wont say all, but alot of men cope by chalking it up as a bad relationship and move on or even try to reconsile. Women go for blood. They can take it as far as permanently tarnishing a mans name or reputation. And why not? The law is always on the womans side.

-Women can easily pick up the phone and call 911 and claim abuse. Guess who's going to jail with no hesitation?

-Guess who else can withhold sex as a punishment tactic when something doesn't go their way?

-If you have kids with a woman, I personally wouldn't put it past 97% of them to use as leverage to some degree to win an argument or get a last laugh from the man that "wronged her".

-When a woman goes out and gets shitfaced and consents to sex with a man, making it consensual, guess who can turn around and scream rape or threaten to because she simply feels ashamed of herself, looking for attention, or maybe got pregnant? And take a wild guess who's taking the fall? TOTAL lack of responsibility.

Again, i dont want to try and turn this thread totally anti-women because im sure there are exceptions to this rule like there is every rule. We live in a society nowadays where the quality of good women is drastically on the decline. Where it becomes sport to toy with men and use them, and to be loose with common morals. There are men just as bad out here...but I dont need to explain them to other men, because we already know just how wicked we can also be.

And please, think for a second before you guys reply with, "Well maybe it WAS the guys fault". On the contrary to how it my post might have sounded, there are gullible girls and cunning men out there who are just as wicked in their intentions. Im highlighting the fact that women are dangerous creatures. You never get a girl at face value, regardless of how long you've known her. It's amazing just how vindictive and unmerciful women can be. And along with feminism bullshit and the higher ups in the government making laws, us men have let the power shift wide to the other side. The age of the woman is here to stay.

First off, you are massively wrong on your account of rape. Are there cases where that kind of thing (lying, attention seeking, ect.) does happen? Aboslutely. Should those women be condemned and go to jail? Absolutely. However, those are only a minority of rape cases. The other thing that you have to factor in is the rate of unreported rapes. You cited a study saying that most rape claims are false, I, for one, would like to see it. I don't have time at the moment but I can provide many that show the opposite.

Getting drunk or high also negates consent in almost all cases. In order to consent, one needs to have the capacity to do so.

Both men and women manipulate one another, and it is wrong in both cases.

Your statement about women cheating could apply just as easily to a guy, and it's also inaccurate. There are many reasons that women don't cheat apart from pressure from other women--their own commitment to the relationship, fear of getting caught, ect. Not all are noble, but not all are disigenuous, either.

Women also do not have the upper hand a majority of time in society. I'm not going to whine and moan that they are always victims, but there is still a heavy bias is men's favour in both the work environment and in terms of thhe stereotypes that inform larger society. While women are valued and judged based upon their looks, men are valued and judged based upon their capabitlites.

"He took advantage of me"

BOOM. There's your case. Man goes bye bye. What can the man say in response?
Not necessarily. I wont even go into the argument of sexual harassment. Women are 100% in the right, regardless of how wrong they may be. We live in a society where it's getting less and less socially acceptable for a man to express his feelings freely without being labled as a pervert, pedophile, or worse. Women will never understand how immasculating claims like that are.

The only thing separating a good-standing man from a rapist, murderer and worse is a woman's accusation.
I can do better...

It's a 4 part series depicting pretty well what I was talking about.

im the last guy to give women the benefit of the doubt. im a closet chauvinist about most women (reactionary), their natures are as bad as ours, but most of us didnt grow up with culture of irresponsibility being acceptable, and you can blame the parents and the "AFCs" out there (including most of us, we did this). the parents because they raised these women and the AFCs. they wanted their kids to have an easier life than they did but nothing comes easy, there are unforeseen consequences. the softies spent most of their adolescence capitulating and giving women what they want because they werent taught any better. they were taught that telling the teacher what they wanted to hear was the way to get good grades, the parents let the public schools and TV raise their kids, and so they go into life thinking that by doing the same thing and doing favors is a way to win over women. women dont, and never have, deserved to be won over. that was only in cases of social hierarchy. the double edged sword is that social hierarchy isnt as relevant anymore and we have much larger selection. women manipulate men because men let them and thats how they figured out the fastest way from point A to point B. the irresponsibility of men was a symptom of us losing our power. when you have less control, you have less to be responsible for. when a woman was a wench, it was a blight on them (whore), their family name, and on us because we had "control" over them (weakling). women are "independent" and "sexually liberated" now, the family name is unimportant. when a woman is a wench now, its a blight on you because you didnt "satisfy" them (in some cases they'll get the slut SPAM but its not nearly as bad). now that women control men many times, do they have the responsibility over us that we had over them? ohhh no. because the men that let women control them dont cheat. this is why relationship balance is important and should not be taken lightly. the guys that are being controlled have been neutered and their days are numbered. the same is true for men who take power to their head, sometimes you'd think they would flat out say they have a right to cheat. i think the core of the problem is not "freedom", women deserve it, but freedom has been interpreted to mean "let them do whatever". we werent taught how to deal with their "freedom" and recognize when ours is being trampled (if that isnt true about the people of today, i dont know what is). that needs to change, but im not going on that crusade anytime soon. blame feminism, blame generation x, blame whoever, but blaming wont get you anywhere. keep an eye on yourself. women respect strong men and walk on the weak. that is a validation of our power. men dont worship women for their power, they do it for sex and because they view themselves as too weak to get another woman that they want.

god damn. end rant.

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The best PUA advice is also the best fighting advice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ijCSu87 ... rn-1r-4-HM

One woman hurting you does not make all women bad, in fact, it might not even make the one that hurt you bad. In my experience many men offering their anecdotal justification for being misogynists are wildly out of touch with reality. They though their 'girlfriend' totally betrayed them, when in actuality there was no reasonable expectation of exclusivity. I read it all the time on here "We were dating for a few weeks and then she started fucking my friend" or something equally preposterous. I'm not saying I know for sure your story is dramatized bullshit to cover up your own shortcomings, I'm saying I'm pretty sure it is.
In reality, people can use and manipulate other people, they can also do it in relationships. What is stopping you from going out and fucking a different chick if the one you're with isn't keeping up her end of the bargain? I'll tell you what is, it's that you're probably not that attractive, and I don't mean you're not 6'2 with model features. This type of misogyny is really just 'nice guy' whining, where you bitch and moan that there isn't some sort of social mechanism to keep a pussy on lock down so you can continue to have soul crushing insecurities while simultaneously getting your dick wet. Doesn't work that way, and trying to construct some 'argument' that all women are soulless harpies isn't going to help anyone, most of all it's not going to help you.
It's not surprising you perceive women as having an advantage over you, most of the ones you're interested in probably do. That said, you're not interested in all women are you? How about the grossly overweight ones, or the fifty year olds, do they have an advantage over you too? Are you so disgusting that even a war pig would wrap you around her pudgy little finger? I've got news for you, not all guys live in fear of some chicka deciding she's bored with them. The women in my life don't have anymore power over me then I give them. Does it mean I wouldn't feel hurt if someone I trusted betrayed me? Of course I wouldn't be happy about it, but it wouldn't drive me to think every single women alive is indifferent to the effect her actions have on the men in her life.
Nope. How can you even make a statement like this? I think you actually meant to say society victimizes the woman whilst blaming the man, but that's also silly.
What the fuck? You seem to naturally assume the blame is on the man if a relationship fails, you also seem to have some serious issues. What's wrong with assuming that relationships are complex, and that when they fail there's likely a number of reasons behind it, that all depend on the situation and people involved?
Link three studies that corroborate this and I'll eat my hat. Even knowing full well that you'll have found them for the purpose of this discussion and not be pulling them out of your 'previously read' pile.
Hilarious. Again, any sort of evidence to back up this wisdom would be wonderful. What about the legitimate rapes that go unreported? Ever wonder why a woman might not want to report a sexual assault? Maybe it's because people like you would demonize her without any knowledge of the situation because you're afraid that if once in your lifetime a woman decided to let you fuck her that you're going to be in metal bracelets the next day.
Womanly powers? Do you mean the power to make a pint of icecream disappear around that time of the month? The power to overwhelm my bathroom with 800 different hair and skin products? I hear the Fantastic Four have cut the three male members, they're recruiting real vaginal power to battle the forces of evil from now on.
At this point I'm starting to wonder if you're even sincere. What, making up statistics wasn't enough for you, and now it's time to make up terminology? I'm seeing a fair amount of donkey syndrome in this thread.
Bullshit. What exactly are you doing then? Seeking sympathy from other down trodden boys who can't reconcile wanting to stick their dicks in pussy with failing spectacularly at their attempts to? Check. Spreading pseudo scientific propaganda to undermine women's rights in the world? Check. Making sweeping conclusions about billions of people based on little more then their sex? Check. Sounds like a hate rally to me. Change every instance of 'woman' to 'Jew' in your post, see how it reads.
Go for blood? What the fuck does that even mean?
Yea all those cops are so stupid, they just drive over sirens blaring, kick the door down, and cuff anyone with a penis after an abuse complaint. It's not like they'd interview everyone involved and charge the nutjob filing false police reports. Naw, I'm pretty sure they just send in the SWAT team.
You know who else can withhold sex? You can. What, no women want to sleep with you? Who's fault is that? You only think all men are powerless because you feel you are and you refuse to acknowledge that the problem might be on your end.
You're 100% ridiculous. While I doubt it'll be a problem, don't procreate until you've got something to teach your offspring other than "Life was so much better when we could buy our wives, and legally beat them if they resisted marital rape".
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/journals/2 ... orting.htm

Here's something you've probably never bothered with in your quest to get women back barefoot in the kitchen, that is, research. The above link supports the conventional wisdom that most rapes actually go unreported.
How do you know the quality of good women is on the decline? What does that even mean?
You know who can be dangerous, vindictive, and merciless? People. Especially people that are struggling to keep their egos from shattering into a million tiny pieces as they try to reconcile who they are and the world they live in with their expectations.

You won't listen to me or anyone else, because your sense of self is wrapped up in being validated by the opposite sex. You hate on women for all these 'flaws' you claim to see in them, but you really just hate yourself for not having success with them. If you were loved and satisfied I seriously doubt you would be here spreading your hatred around.

You could be free of this strife you know. If you forgave yourself for your shortcomings and committed to improving your life, you would no longer need to attack an entire sex to try and cope with your frustrations. Cultivating this hatred in your heart is poisoning you, it's stopping you from being a man.

Honestly, too long didn't read (it all). But I'll tell you what, there are probably an equal (or even higher) number of women bitching about us men as you are about them. Women can manipulate men.. and men can't manipulate women? Apart from a few things here and there, we're all equal. Women have a few things going for them because you have a few things going for you. They are heard more and given more preference because you seem physically and otherwise, more dominant. They are treated gently because gentle behaviour is something that'll bore you.

At the end of the day, the only thing that this will help you with, is getting things off your chest.

Women suck. And so what (can you do about it) ?

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Women are plenty, time is not.

People are people, doesnt matter if they are men or women.

There are people who are decent and there are those who will use whatever weapons they have in order to get their way.

Most of us are nice but a some of us are bastards. Guess which ones you hear about the most...

Just a thought.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Solteris,

You have no argument. Basically, you have posted a whine/rant about terrible women are and how badly you have been treated. Where do you get off pretending to be the eternal victim? We have all been hurt, we have all been badly treated. At some point, you just need to move on.

Since I see that someone else has already posted a source, I don't feel that I need to provide additional ones. Your clip proves nothing--that isn't a peer-reviewed source (peer review is an important component of legitimate scientific studies).

Oh, and on consent, I don't seee how you can take my argument as affirmation of anything. One of the principles behind consent is that one has to have the capacities necessay to fully consider and understand what they're saying yes to. That's a principle that holds across a society. Consent is worthless if one lacks the capacity to make an informed decision.

In my life (this is no generalized statement, just one based on experience) I have personally come across more men who've cheated, more men who've left their girlfriends for even stupid reasons at times and more women who complain regarding the imperfection of those men.

Besides sometimes the reason why someone behaves in a particular manner with you is not because that person is naturally like that with everyone, it's just that YOU were able to get them to show THAT part of theirs to you.

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Women are plenty, time is not.

Love everyone.

Wow there's a lot of emotion in this thread.

Seeing both sides of the story here.

Posting about women being manipulative or vengeful isn't a new thing, "He'll hath no fury like a woman scorned." they've been doing it since the 1800's haha.

The cheating thing is fascinating. I just ask girlfriends what they would do if I cheated on them. Normally met with the reply, I'd slap you and cut off your balls. It's at this moment I reference equal rights and say "So equal rights means if you cheat on me I can slap you and cut off your tits......hmmm interesting." Clearly I'm not going to slap or tit chop, but I love to make them think before they mention equal rights again.

The power shift is equally fascinating. There is a shift where men are no longer men. Machiavelli referenced fate as a woman and said to tame her she must be beaten and dominated, which was common practice back then. I'm not pro-violence, but that was acceptable. It is more acceptable for a woman to hit a man than the other way around. Before anyone mentions strength, it's the intent that is more important and how the law deals with it. "But men are stronger.....blar blar...." shut up you little faggot and grow some balls. If a woman comes at you with a knife, will you not knock her out? If not then you deserve what you get. Intent is much more important!!!

On the Closet Chauvenist thing, that's a load of crap. You're just a maninest (male version of a feminist). Oh my goodness!!! Men can't stand up for what they believe!!!! Why not?!?!? Oh that's right, because it's sexist. If you're a woman you could, but not if you're a man.

I'm just happy that as a man I have more opportunities for promotion, get a higher average wage, and if I decide I want a divorce, I don't have to wake up in the night because my kid has wet the bed.

Damn I'm happy to be single and celibate right now haha.

But let's be honest, womens tits are amazing!!! Something mens can never compare to haha.

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This truly sucks!!!

I dont find it acceptable at all a woman hitting a man neither the other way round.
It still hurts when a woman hits a man. However it just hurts it cannot go out of control. In any case unacceptable. It is pure violence.

I understand why Solteris is upset. Being angry or hating someone means that he must have been hurt a lot.

@ Solteris. It is about time you take a break from dating. You need to find inner balance first.
Both men and women can be bad.

I'm glad you don't find it acceptable, either way. That would put you into a surprising minority. A free thinking, violence hating minority.

Good on you. Welcome to the club.

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This truly sucks!!!

Solteris,

Everything and anything created in this world was achieved through the power of teamwork. Men and Women working along side eachother. Everything Solteris.

We are social animals and interaction with the opposite sex is vital. Sorry bro but you gotta just learn to accept women for what they are. You can't change the world, only yourself

Saro, such sweeping generalisations should be made very rarely!

What if someone goes for any of these examples:

Thomas A. Edison made the lightbulb. There was no woman involved (if you start scraping the barrel and say a woman helped make him, I will hunt you down and urinate in your coffee!). That was not a team effort to create the concept or prototype!

Fire! Probably first produced by a guy trying to make a masturbation machine from sticks and flint. That was created by an individual, but utilised widely by teamwork. (Imagine the number of women that cave dude must have got!!! They would have though he was a god, until he burnt himself like an idiot trying to show off. What an AFC!)

If that is what you would answer about women making Edison, I'll say rocks. Mountains. Oceans. Any inanimate object of nature because no doubt you'd say a female of the species helped create it.

Once again if that was your answer, fungus, the type that reproduces asexually and has no gender.

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This truly sucks!!!