OK so if you read my last post on gaming on college campuses you should have an idea of how many numbers I get. But a lot of these girls have been flaking out or are really busy and hard to pin down for a meet up. What's going on I'm asking myself? My text game is on and my phone game is smooth.. Obviously they have some interest, I got their number.

The conclusion I have come to is that, basically I am hitting on only the finest girls I see... in san diego. These girls are top notch butterscotch. They should be really busy. They should have fun and interesting stuff going on all the time. And probably got hit on twice between the time I got their phone number and the time I called them. I typically won't stay on a set longer than about 3 minutes, so as sparkling as our little interaction may have been, it is still forgettable...

You need to make big moves and skip the coffee. That's what I say. You have to offer them something they don't have or have never done before. A drive-in movie theater or (SD specific) a narrated hour cruise along the harbor (its actually not too expensive). At first I thought I would have to work up to these things, you know day 2 or whatever. But I am getting results for these! It puts the girl on the spot like, "OK I can either go to this drive-in movie theater tonight (she's probably never been to one) with this random guy I just met, or not go and miss out on the opportunity. Who want's coffee?? Its boring and forces the same mundane questions.

So your town doesn't have a drive-in? find something else to do thats DIFFERENT. Romantic but not too cheesy is good. Again, you have to offer them something that they don't have. Maybe for some guys, all that is is them, but I need that extra edge anywhere I can find it. Making big moves allows you to escalate quickly, but surely it will scare some girls away..

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I agree, most cats are moving too slow. Also if you say you're getting more results then pple should pay attention to this.

Although Im a big fan of coffee, this makes plenty sense to me

Killer, How well does this game plan work for you? I am just asking as it seems you put in a lot of work for something that doesn't seem to need much work. I get where you are getting at with going big. Saying that you put your self in a position where you have to go big. So its really your own doing. I am a bit curious to why you said hot girls should be busy. Not sure why you said that. Not bashing your game any, but more wanted to see where you came about your method really.
Why do you feel like you need all the extra edge you can get? Do you have some insecurity or something? Or do you feel that you have to compete with other guys? Or what? Because I don't feel I need the extra edge at all with hot girls.

What do you mean, "it seems you put in a lot of work for something that doesn't seem to need much work." ?? What I am doing is the exact opposite... How often do you go directly from having coffee with a girl, and then right back to your place with her? By skipping the coffee and "making big moves" you can take her somewhere more fun (like a drive-in movie theater) AND take her back to your place after.

You say I, "put myself in a situation where I have to go big" and "it is my own doing" like this a problem for me. It is a choice, and more of a new bold approach I am trying out with success.

Yes, hot girls should be busy. Maybe that sounds a little shallow, let me explain. Good looking people are attractive. Yes if you have a good personality, this is attractive too. If you are a good looking person with an attractive personality you are very attractive, and this is the kind of girl I will go for. So that being said, these girls should have tons of exciting and interesting things going on in they're lives because they attract a lot of energy.

I don't really need the extra edge. But I am fully aware that that 10 scale I've been working on, has other guys trying to get with her too, that just may have more going than myself. Its honesty, its reality, and yes it is competition. If your not taking advantage of every edge you can, you are holding yourself back. Not just in pickup but in life.

This isn't meant to sound like an attack, but you asked a lot of questions.

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What do you mean, "it seems you put in a lot of work for something that doesn't seem to need much work." ?? What I am doing is the exact opposite... How often do you go directly from having coffee with a girl, and then right back to your place with her? By skipping the coffee and "making big moves" you can take her somewhere more fun (like a drive-in movie theater) AND take her back to your place after.

You say I, "put myself in a situation where I have to go big" and "it is my own doing" like this a problem for me. It is a choice, and more of a new bold approach I am trying out with success.

Yes, hot girls should be busy. Maybe that sounds a little shallow, let me explain. Good looking people are attractive. Yes if you have a good personality, this is attractive too. If you are a good looking person with an attractive personality you are very attractive, and this is the kind of girl I will go for. So that being said, these girls should have tons of exciting and interesting things going on in they're lives because they attract a lot of energy.

I don't really need the extra edge. But I am fully aware that that 10 scale I've been working on, has other guys trying to get with her too, that just may have more going than myself. Its honesty, its reality, and yes it is competition. If your not taking advantage of every edge you can, you are holding yourself back. Not just in pickup but in life.

This isn't meant to sound like an attack, but you asked a lot of questions.

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It seem from your post that you put in a lot of energy/work it more than is needed in my opinion thats all. Tho to be fair I don't do the big thing as I take the opposite route, which is spending more time with the girl upfront and less time on the dates. Partly the reason I do this is people remember me well, especially when I spend 30 minutes with them.
I have to say never. As I am bit more traditional with my dating style. Not saying what you are doing is wrong or anything.
I didn't mean it as it was totally a problem for you as you did made the choice to take this route. I was more point out how you have to go big because you spent 3 minutes with the girl upfront very much increase the chances of the girl forgetting you afterwards. But its pretty clear you are aware of that.
I don't think your view is shallow, I was more wondering where you where coming from this actually, as I never ran into such a view point before. Can't say that I agree with it tho.
I agree with you on the edge thing when it comes to life, but not when it comes to girls. I found that whole edge thing is a never ending cycle really with no end in sight. And there will always going to be another guy that has more going for him than you. I am not saying I give up. But more go about things differently.
lol. I didn't take it as an attack.

Word homie. Just two different styles.

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Ok so I read through all of this. Replies and banter back and forth. I must say both techniques obviously breed success. I like to use both styles, 3 mins or an hour, w/e depending on the situation.

I guess my big question would be, for more original hang-outs, what has bred the best success for both of you? I'm more of a talker, i'll do pubs and it goes well for me. I'd like to integrate a little more original and unique outings... I'm spending way too much on beer lol.

Personally, drive in movie theater and a boat trip are to my opinion a too big step. I do agree that you have to take her to somewhere she has never been before, but I wouldn't make too much of a deal of it for her and for yourself by keeping it casual.

For example: asking her out to play pool. Very fun to do, competitive yet fun, relaxed, you can teach her if she hasn't played it before, and to my opinion, girls who picks it up fast are realy cool, don't like the types of girly girls who can't even hit the ball after 2 hours of teaching, so you can find out a lot about her.

Or going to a special bar, with comfy seets or somewhere lounge like, a bar with a special attribute or story, depends on the place: in an older town I'd prefer a bar, in a new metropolic town like NY or London a Lounge bar.

Tell her you are going to buy a new CD, and ask her to come along. Bring her to a special CD or records store, and find out about the music she likes.

Only if the date would realy go well, I'd spontaneously propose a cinema or a boat trip or something like that. Or just keep it for a day 2. I think she has to deserve that.

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I can do bars, but I simply can't hear people a lot of the time. Besides that, there is a lot going on, and its not exactly a controlled environment to isolate her in, especially if she might know some people there.

My personal favorite is to take girls to concerts. I go to a lot of electronic music events (anyone like dubstep??) and I find it really easy to move around on the dancefloor with a girl, so for me, this is a big one. But they have to kind of be into that type of music or open minded to check it out.

Get your local City Reader or whatever and browse through looking for things to do. Or try searching for "romantic things to do in my city" on the google machine. There will be a lot of fluff but you might find one or two good ideas

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Yea I realize how it sounds, taking a girl you just met briefly on a boat trip, and it is kind of over the top. But that's not always a bad thing.. You just have to make it sound like its nothing out of the ordinary for you, like you do stuff like that all the time. I'll just be like, "Hey I happen to have an extra ticket for this one hour cruise on the harbor this saturday. Wanna come??" You know, like the time is all set and everything. I won't flex it to work around her schedule. Either she can make it or she can't. If she's like "I'll let you know" I'll say something like, "don't wait too long" giving the impression that there are other friends or girls that would readily jump at the opportunity. I guess it just appeals to me because you can do this for about the same price as 2 3D movie tickets and a bag of popcorn... but still, I have to like the girl to spend even that.

Pool is good, tons of stuff you can do with pool. Last time I played, I made a wager with this girl I was out with, that if I won, we'd go back to her place (right down the street) and if I lost, I'd take her out on a date. Haha, you've probly heard this one, I think it was in some movie or with some variation maybe... (In another circumstance I may have swapped "back to her place" with "a kiss", but she was giving me major ioi's all night) Worked like a charm

A hookah lounge is another good one, especially for the under 21 girls. Thats a light and fun alternative to coffee.

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Yea I realize how it sounds, taking a girl you just met briefly on a boat trip, and it is kind of over the top. But that's not always a bad thing.. You just have to make it sound like its nothing out of the ordinary for you, like you do stuff like that all the time. I'll just be like, "Hey I happen to have an extra ticket for this one hour cruise on the harbor this saturday. Wanna come??" You know, like the time is all set and everything. I won't flex it to work around her schedule. Either she can make it or she can't. If she's like "I'll let you know" I'll say something like, "don't wait too long" giving the impression that there are other friends or girls that would readily jump at the opportunity. I guess it just appeals to me because you can do this for about the same price as 2 3D movie tickets and a bag of popcorn... but still, I have to like the girl to spend even that.

Pool is good, tons of stuff you can do with pool. Last time I played, I made a wager with this girl I was out with, that if I won, we'd go back to her place (right down the street) and if I lost, I'd take her out on a date. Haha, you've probly heard this one, I think it was in some movie or with some variation maybe... (In another circumstance I may have swapped "back to her place" with "a kiss", but she was giving me major ioi's all night) Worked like a charm

A hookah lounge is another good one, especially for the under 21 girls. Thats a light and fun alternative to coffee.

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thanks for the help guys, much appreciated!

Damn it! How could I forget that one!

Yeah ofcourse that is one of the best places. Smoking shisha is realy cool doing with a girl.

I've done it before. With my ex girlfriend, been to a hookah lounge with cushions everywhere ... before you know it, you'll making out for hours!

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Yup.