I know this is a bit off topic but check my other post out please and give your opinions...I would really appreciate that.P.S. where can we discuss one-itis???I didn't see any section in this forum..((

You can find topics on one-ities in just about every part of this site. I would start in sticking points & relationships.

Guys coming back to original topic...The thing about PU that pisses me off most is that it works...To me it just proves that honesty is bad and by being yourself and being absolutely honest, you'll not get a girl you like to like you. But dishonesty really makes me unhappy. Just talking to the girl I likek and being honest makes me much happier than kissing some girl which I don't care about and which I made kiss me by using some tricks...

Fuck that. There are many different schools of thought in the PUA community and there are plenty of PUAs who have very honest styles.

LIKE ME FOR EXAMPLE

Check out my Outer Game thread in the PUA Lounge (it's a sticky) and you'll see that it doesn't involve any dishonesty at all.

Melissa do you actually think society as it is and more so as it always was is moral? Do you think nature cares about human and society's moral judgment?

Nature doesn't and never cared much about what we think it should. Nature has it own ways. Some of them are solid as fuck and other are less so. You wont find life as it is on earth without water. You will also die eventually no matter if you like it or not or if you find it moral or not. If in your genes is written to be male you will be born male. Even if you change your sex afterwards you will still have a pair of XY chromosomes in your every fucking cell (except for gametes) and no matter how far technology progresses you wont be able to change that and survive.

The thing is it's absolutely natural for a normal healthy guy to want to fuck a woman.
But this guy lives on earth 2010. And that makes it a problem because society is trying to decrease his chances to have offspring in most of the cases. And there are a million examples of factors that decrease your chances to be reproductively successful.

But what is this guy going to do? Is he going to roll over and die because some feminist told him to? Is he going to give away millions of years of evolution for someone's opinion? That's illogical. Why? Because if this genes survived for so long they wont just vanish into thin air because someone has an opinion.
But still what would this man who was made from such a resilient material do? Well he will try to have sex with you... joking.

The idea is there are so many lame, bad, wrong, fake, unscrupulous, whatever you name it, PUA's & methods out there that ye... you have the right to have a bad feeling about it, especially as a woman. But that is not PUA is all about! There are people out there with noble intentions. People that think we should find ways of bringing forth the pure and natural aspects of male to female interaction, ways of reverting this interaction to a more natural pace. We want to fuck your ass not because we posses a ferrari but because we like you and because we know why we want to fuck you (FU).

Ah forget it =)) the idea is no matter how much you teach seduction to some they will never get it that much! Its like trying to make athletes out of everyone. So have no fear. If you are "aware" as you pretend to be, you wont get fucked by anyone. I'm not lying to you, you will get fucked eventually in a wardrobe or somewhere by a few fellas who are good enough to get this things sorted. And if those guys got it, trust me they deserve it.
And don't even feel bad about it. They are good guys, probably better than what you will ever get if you are surrounded by a bunch of brainwashed, good looking, high social status, rich, fat, short mexican guys.
So don't worry be happy!

PS. In the history of evolution nature favored all sort of mutations. I'm sorry for you that today some people decided to leave their Armani suits at home and go out there with nothing more than a pair of boots made of cursed demon skin and a sincere, innocent smile, trying to meet you.

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Random,

I never pretended that nature was all cuddly and kind. It isn't; nature possesses both tooth and claw, and is far less reluctant to use them than 'civilized' human societies at least pretend to be.

I don't hate men, nor do I decrey the fully natural desire to have sex. Both women and men possess hormones and sex drives. I see no reason why men should, as you put it, "roll over and die" rather than admit--and attempt to ensure--that they can have sex at least occassionally with members of the opposite (or the same, I don't care either way, but we are on a pickup site) gender.

Condemning PU is far different from condemning the male psyche as a whole. It might also help your argument if you stop arguing from the procreative angle; as a species, we have done so much to reduce the risk of conception as a result of sex that it's disingenious to link the two as you are doing in argument. I'd also surmise that most men in the PU community want to have sex for reasons of pleasure rather than because of the potential offspring that they might produce.

I condemn the dishonest and manipulative aspects of PU. Of course, I condemn the manipulative and dishonest aspects of many other things as well. As already stated, I object to it most because of it's effects upon the PUA's cognitive processes.

I'd also thank you to keep your thoughts about my sex life (or lack thereof) to yourself. I have no idea why you have such a preoccupation with Armani suits and ferraris, but I assure you that I do not share it.

Melissa

What the hell are you trying to achieve by posting on this site? I understand you wanna learn what to avoid an that's fine. So read an shut up with all do respect. Like you said " this is a pick up website". There are many feminist fourms out there that would be glad to here ya nonsense. I doubt any of us PUA's do.

And for the record, manipulation is done by everyone at all times, your just not consciously aware of it all the time. All pick up does it make you more aware of what's going on during your interactions with others.

I don't know what fairy tale your in but on earth where the rest of us live no one is perfect. Therefore no one will be able to keep from manipulating others. We're human, an this shit happens on it's own. Why not be more aware of what your doing.

Keep your opinions to yourself please? You cast a lot of judgement on these guys an I'm sick of it.

Do you do no wrong?

Can you honestly say that the Wrong you do is any better than the wrongs of anyone else?

However if you are in fact perfect ignore everything I said.

I mean this in the most respectful sincere way when I say FUCK OFF

Leave it to karma

Fuze

Fuze,

I never claimed to be perfect, nor will I ever. There is no such thing as a perfect human being. I make mistakes, as does everyone else on this earth. My mistakes are, on the whole, no better or worse than much of the rest of society's. I have never, nor will I ever, claimed to be a good person. (That said, I won't claim to be a bad person, either. I'm just a person.)

What am I trying to achieve? I challenge people to think, and I welcome hearing from those whose opinions differ from mine. Amen choruses can be quite tedious--I don't want to talk to people who just tell me that I'm right.

If you had read my previous posts, you'd also realize that I never denied the reality that all people are manipulative. All people attempt to manipulate one another, whether they are aware of it or not. Much of what is decried as manipulative is, in fact, called such only because either the target or some specific group in society condemns the motives that drive it.

Again, I'm not entirely condemning PU solely because of the manipulative aspects; what bothers me is some of the effects that it has on how one thinks. What is seen cannot be unseen; what is learned can be impossible to forget. I distrust how PU teaches people to see others.

Why should I keep my opinions to myself? I'm far from the only person to voice unpopular or non-mainstream (for the PU community, that is) opinions on this site. No one is forcing you to read my posts. And you're hardly going to change my mind by either swearing at me or telling me that I should go talk to other like-minded people.

I also don't believe in karma.

I can tell you tht you would have been a lot happier not learning about any of this stuff. It's obvious you don't date too often, and I can't say I don't blame the men for looking over you. You have to learn to except things as is. You make less enemies that way. There are plenty of other things which effect how people think and see things a lot worse than pick up does. Why don't you give some of those things a go?

How about you tackle every thing in the entire world that's damaging to ones perceptions an thoughts?

I'd love to here about what you accomplish doing this...

Accept things for what they are an get on with life?

What have you accomplished so far but 73 post about your opinions?
Get out there an make somethings happen for yourself. That's something positive you should of taken from this. Get out of your head an do something about it then.

That is if you really do care, however I'm fairly bored with you. You say the same things over an over.

I'm sure you wanna be in love one day, it's a beautiful thing. And if the guy had to learn pick up just to get you to notice him then so be it. People aren't always gonna meet the way they do in romantic comedies an Disney films. Someone has to take the initiative an make it happen.

An that's where this comes in handy

As I said before FUCK OFF

Had you actually bothered to read any of my posts, you would know that I have no need to date casually because I have a boyfriend. I much prefer long term relationships to casual dating or a fwb type situation.

And what gives you the right to say what I should and should not accept? Societal norms are not set in stone. Nor are sterotypes, humans laws or instituions, or even, in many cases, what we take to be the basic components of human nature.

I love how you criticize and nammer on about what I write while clearly disregarding much of what I have written. Since I refuse to rewrite everything that I have already said, you may look at earlier posts (not just in this thread) for a full refutation of your assertion that I am either barking up the wrong tree or aiming my arguments at too limited a selection of the things that I do not like. In summary: The world has an incredible host of problems to choose from; I see no reason why any one problem, regardless of what it is, should be given such an overiding priority that all efforts must be directed towards it. It is also unrealistic to criticize one for tackling everything--there is far too much for any single person or approach to deal with everything.

I also don't just say the same thing over and over again. That may be your impression from this thread, but I've addressed a number of different topics in my posts. If you want to make an argment, make sure that you get your facts right. It kind of weakens your argument when you don't.

being honest what i find funny about pu is womens magazines are filled up with articles on 'how to get a guy' 'dress up for your guy' 'how to be more sexy for your guy' '101 sex positions' and so on! yet mens magazines are cars sport and interviews!
i read a lot of mens magazines like gq, fhm, maxim even playboy, all of them have pics of girls yet none of them talk about getting laid. funnily the uk version of fhm has a segment this month approaching and sex but theyve asked rock stars and celebrities (which isnt helpful) they asked dave navarro how to get laid and he replied 'join a band!' (again not helpful)

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life sucks and then you die! deal with it

Is Melissa a gay dude?

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dont women manipulate men by wearing makeup, lowcut tops and pushup bras, sadly women have all the power in dating and relationships, men have to do the leg work for her then for her to decide, its about regaining some of that balance. women have always looked for the strongest mate (survival of the fittest) so is it wrong for men to only persue the best women to carry on our genetic line (again survival of the fittest) sadly human beings are not equal some people are more better looking, have more money, better jobs, flasher cars, live in mansions and so on, hence why they are more attractive prospect

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life sucks and then you die! deal with it

Mellisa
There is so much manipulation about male to female interaction right now... that you have to be totally blind or utterly stupid not to see it. AND ITS FUCKING BAD / MALIGNANT.
For eg. marketing: it fucking pushes you the idea that if you buy their cereals you will fucking have a great couple life every morning. And they show you a couple of supermodels eating those cereals and then having sex afterward.
If you buy their perfume you will date models for the rest of your life.
If you dress like your favorite band you will be some crazed macho.
If you listen to what some religious book tells you to do and be nice and don't touch women and cut your dick you will go to some green place. Why? Because some dudes wrote that?

And trust me you have little idea about neuroscience. About what is really malignant and what is not. And I bet you know little about what a cognitive process is (scientifically talking). You are just a little innocent sheep that thinks she has good intentions and thinks she knows stuff. Its a fucking stereotype of people from the scientific community who write the very "scientific materials" you read and trust me they are morons (most of them). If you would understand how this things are done you would either cry or laugh your underwear off. Some "top" researches SPAM have problems understanding you when you explain them how to change a light bulb =)) (it's fucking true). Others love the fucking cash.
Fucking hell!

SO what are this manipulations doing? They are pushing up your ass all kind of MALIGNANT, perverted mechanics. Why? Because their are intended to have a totally different outcome than sex and that will be: obedience, money, power, you name it. And where is this leading to? To a perverted changed human nature. To a life form that is based on money exchange, plastic clothes, silicon feelings, all pure shit! All just some fucking simple idiotic ideas who got hold of mankind. And because they are so stupid and fragile I'm very reluctant to trust them. We are heading away from nature. Mankind is actually reinventing itself from the perspective of greed, hatred, you name it.

LOL! This marketing companies are spending millions on studies, statistics and research to fucking understand your fucking brain and make commercials that are intended to fuck with your VERY basic building blocks. You are just a fucking sheep.

What is a true PUA doing? Well none of those. It actually tries to REDISCOVER the simple natural male to female interaction. Like eye contact, smile, body language, feelings, fitness, courage, dominance, things that have been around since mankind was born. Things that have been twisted and perverted by your fucking society and your pretty view of love & diamonds and fucking prom queens.

PS. I would want the prom queen to blow me during the prom night in front of a billion viewers on national channel as a way of protest against pink wedding dresses.

And what? Are you afraid of manipulations? Well trust me when i tell you that this manipulations you accuse PUA about are lame. You just read some average PUA's and you don't know the whole deal. They do not work just like that. They are missing some key ingredients which are "ok"and which I keep secret.
If this simple manipulations work (and they do sometimes) that happens:
NOT BECAUSE OF THEIR TRUE VALUE BUT BECAUSE OF OTHER MECHANICS. And those mechanics are:
1. Either benign and simple facts like: pure luck, chance, numbers, situation, you name it. Which are by no means malefic.
2. Either things that resemble pretty good what is natural. And natural is good and I don't want to start a whole new talk about it.
Lol you cant just assume you are a piece of furniture and think your sexy and that there is some hidden process in the female brain and then hope she will fuck you.
And only by the power of the mind you can't just change your skin color.
But I agree there is to much crap around, but be cool because it has no real negative power.
And out of all this shitty society, there isn't a more innocent desire than simply a guy wanting to stick a cock into your pussy. And hes actually doing it the natural way.

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We're obviously on two different wavelengths. Once you mature you learn that everything balances out in life, some people starve, some people eat etc. And there is no amount of protesting that can ever change that.

That's why I say accept things for what they are.

There are more women controling an manipulating men out thier in the world than there are pick up artist. All pick does is even the score. And as you grow up you'll realize; the score always evens out.

You reap what you sow; people will treat you the way you treat others; you play with fire you get burned. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Thats what karma is for the record.

I'm done with that issue


Second

You must dumb down you post a tad bit if youre intention is to reach people out there. Not that I'm not itellectual enough to keep up, it's just seems ( as if you're trying to impress someone). You'll find that many scroll through your post because of that factor. Why do you think people would rather here the latest rapper or rockstar give a speech than the president? It's the same concept here.


There a pick up term that goes K.I.S.S... Keep it simple stupid. You do in fact want people to relate; unless your writing for you own glory.


This is a fourm not an english essay

Comprende?

Fuze