Was chilling with a girl at a party in front of the bonfire with my arm around her. She's completely leaning into me and IOIs through the window (girl I was talking to earlier on the other side of me leaning into me praying I start giving her attention). I lean in and whisper to her that "your really cute, can I kiss you". She looks at me and says "I don't know, I don't really know you yet".

I nodded, leaned back and continued our previous conversation like nothing happened. After one minute of talking about where I went to school and what I want to do I say "so do you know me yet". She doesn't say anything, just takes the gum out of her mouth and goes in for the kiss on me. She had to leave after so got a number and kiss close. Thought you guys would be interested in what to do in this situation.

Congrats man.

Personally i Never ask if i can kiss her. Seems really AFC. Go with the triangular gaze technique

If you do it with confidence the word AFC doesn't exist. This was all preceded by staring at her lips every 10 seconds or so and by the time I said it she was already staring at my lips. AFC is a mindset, there isn't such thing as an AFC technique.

congratz but yeah lay off the "asking" its needy in a way .

do it more natural , create awkward silences on purpose and invade her space . Talk about her hair and feel it , lean in and smell it and then say a random brand of hair shampoo "loreal?", pull away slowly and pull her in and then just move your head slowly towards hers , she should co-operate and bam ! you k-closed naturally

If she asks what your doing reply with " I had an urge"

If she rejects you state " this clearly isnt going to work" and walk away

maybe she was unready for it , if so it will be her making the moves on you next time as she would be scared of loosing you, nevertheless go in with what ive told you and remeber youve got nothing to loose but everything to gain

To be honest that strikes me as way more try hard than what I did. I mean seriously? Walk away if she asks what I'm doing? Why would I put myself in that situation if I don't have to? I had a successful close by going from A to B. Your telling me to go from A to F to G just to get to B. That kiss close couldn't have been more natural.

In pickup theory what I did wasn't supposed to work because I was being "AFC". If nothing about you says AFC then you can say anything you want and it will work however you want. What I did wasn't needy because I didn't say it in a needy way. It was spontaneous and not pre-planned at all. The way I handled it couldn't have been less AFC.

Have you ever tried confidently asking a girl if you can kiss her? It really makes life easier than going out of your way to sniff her hair, say a pre-planned line, then "naturally" kissing her. If you can't tell I'm a bit more of a proponent of natural game.

Your ignorance annoys me

Now I have to take time to proove a point .

"can i kiss you ?" - closed answer question

Gives her the cards and puts pressure on her

your asking something off her = more needy than no words and actions


Yeah the reason I stated an actual Natural way to k-close was because i use to talk my way into k-closing ( look up swingcats material he has a great talking k-close ) but guess what thats still shit than actually leading into it Naturally .

so you plan on talking your way from k-close to f-close ?

Explain how this one is going to work " can i stick my penis into your vagina repeatedly ? " Im sure shes just gonna go " fxck this shit , id rather keep my dignity"

Asking to K-close is NOT Natural !
Their we have it "Pickup theory" - Ive tried and tested this shit its no longer theory to me its what works against bullshit that someone has already feed you .

How do you know that your no afc ? You think most game is with words , the sooner you learn that its to do with body language , image , eyes , delivery and the occasional c+f line . the better .

Ok what you did worked but trust me on this one ... Its better

Your pretty new to this forum , stop protecting your ego , listen to what we say . Allow us to feed you new ideas .

When you work up the courage to kiss another girl I want you to try the k-close I stated and take time to actually reflect on your game .

/rant over

Chill out. Just because I disagree with you does not mean I think your a lesser man. I'm sure your a great guy. Chill.

I understand post counts mean a lot here. That means your much better with girls than I am. I understand that. The fact that I've been a member on this forum two years longer than you clearly doesn't mean anything either because I don't post as much as you. That's totally cool.

It seems you took my post disagreeing with you as a penis slap to the face. I did not intend it. So here's my rebuttal.

You called me ignorant. You feel I am ignorant because I disagree that saying "can I kiss you" can be construed as AFC despite any other inclination of being AFC. Further you assume that everything I do consists of me "asking" if I can do it. This is incorrect assumption my friend Zappo. Afterwards you pretty clearly assume I am 100% AFC.

Look Zappo, I'm not new to this game. I've chilled in the Alt.Seduction forums before "The Game" came out. I started the first lair at the University at Buffalo back in 2007. This is old stuff to me. The person with the ego defense problem is you. I assume this judging by how harshly and emotionally you responded to me by my moderately spiced disagreement with you. What your beef is is that you live your life according to a set of rules laid out by the Seduction community. Some of that stuff is extremely important to know but I believe that some other stuff is overrated.

Some of the things you may have forgotten before getting dragged into this lifestyle is that people got laid for thousands of years before this came along and over a billion still do. Some of them were doing something right. To combine natural game with this game is a great combination. The reason I feel what I did was natural is because it came in the moment. I never had it preplanned. It felt like the right thing to do and it worked. It is not the first time it has worked for me and it is certainly not something I say all the time.

Here's my advice to you Zappo the Elder with 200+ posts. It is possible that somebody did something you disagree with and it worked. Maybe it's the next level. A level you may soon achieve. But probably not for another 300 or so posts.

Haha I have to admit some of them combeacks were funny to read, but anyways game face time

Right

My problem is that you asked her to kiss ( sure it worked ) but im trying to help you step up a level , challenging you to do something different . I mean she did deny you afterall . Me , I dont get denied and if i ever did I would do it smoothly

The way you k-closed wasn't natural . Ok watch a film , look for a romance scene, does the guy say " Can i kiss you ?" Fxck no he just goes and does it Naturally . And before you say its just a film , films are reflection on life .

An AFC asks for things "can I kiss you ?" , A pua asks for things smoothly "If you went to kissing school what grade would you get ?", a natural does neither and gets what he wants every time * kiss*

I think your protecting your ego too much because of the way you have responded to both comments from 2 different people too defensively. Open yourself to critism we both congratulated you and offered "better advice"

I dont think your 100% Afc ..... well maybe 98% but thats about it

And No my beef is the way you think asking to kiss is natural .... Its not

I think your ignorant due to the fact that , you are unwelcome to new ideas , new methods . Im going to take a stab in the dark when i say this but pretty sure youve only read the game . I mean thats where that line originates from. As soon as you open your eyes the better

And i find it shocking that you have been in the community for nearly 4 years and are still using that line

Homework Read swingcats - real world seduction, David deangelo - cocky comedy + other conversational skills , Any shit by Gambler , caros xumas - alpha male and finish it off with 60 years of challenge .

And I promise you will be instant k-closing without even speaking a word


Im not going to bother replying again unless its along the lines of "ok maybe your right" or until you have read the material I have suggested you read

Haha, well i think you missed my point. I think its great that you got a result

But asking to do something, even if you say it at 1000 decibels through a loud speaker in you most confident voice, still shows a lack of confidence.
I mean, you wouldn't turn to your G.F and say "hey, you know what, can i sex you tonite?", NO.

Glad it worked for you this time, but I'm fairly certain most users here will analyse it and get the same result.

Maybe next time joke with her instead of just asking her "omg, i know you want to kiss me, do you think you could control yourself for a few more minutes while i get a drink?" etc.

Damn...this turned into a flame fest! Who cares what he said to get a k-close. It worked! Sure it may not be the ideal (the way you like, or have been taught) way to go about it. But he went through with it naturally. He said it's worked plenty of other times too. Congrats on the k-close, and thanks for sharing that with us!!

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Thank you. The reason I made a thread about it was to show some of the younger guys here that you do not have to live and die by AFC theory to be successful. My advice is to do whatever feels right in the moment. AFC is a mindstate, not semantics.