ok so ive decided that I dont like frat guys (sry if I offend anyone here, although seems unlikely in a place like this). Why? Because they act like complete asshole to any guy that isnt in their frat and act so superior while here I am with better grades, in better shape and definitely get more girls. The only way they can get girls is if they bait freshmen to their room with the promise of free alcohol. I know them might not be all the same but Im talking in general.

I also dislike them because the few times I went because a friend got me through the door at lease three guys tied to kick me out or tried to start a fight for no reason at all.

So I came up with this opener (nothing to original or spectacular but here it is)

ME: Do u like frat guys?
HER: yes or no
ME: (point is to disagree with her) (If she said yes): really? I wouldnt have picked you as someone that shallow.
(if she said no): yeh i thought so, you dont seem like the kind they would let in anyway.

After you can tell a DHV story about how you beat/outsmarted/something else a frat guy. Make it sound like you get let into frats all the time but your just too mature for that sort of thing.
*havent had a chance to test it* obvousely only works on an american campus

I actually started this thread to see if you guys have any other idea that pop into your head about this interesting topic. It might be a good brain storming session.

I totally agree with you about fraternity boys. I mean, if anything, they can be considered the ultimate AMOG/cockblocker. I remember one time, I was trying to open two cute ladies in a bar that fraternity boys mainly hang out in and lets just say that when one fraternity boy came into my set, he acted as though I wasn't there and just started talking to the girls. I've often even heard that no matter how hard you work your game, they're gonna always find ways to exclude you out of their social circle. Thats just my two cents worth. But I really do like the opener you did. Its a good way to find out what girls like and at the same time, work your game to the fullest advantage. i might end up using it sometime this week and see what kind of results it gets.

I think the opener is kinda stupid. If she says yes, then you accuse her of being shallow and superficial, despite the fact that you yourself are stereotyping. I feel an opener like this (and even just you're background for coming up with it) makes you look both jealous and arrogant. You are basically acting like you are better than frat guys and the girls are stupid for liking frat guys. At the same time you are bitching and moaning that they get a lot of girls.

AMOG's and assholes exist everywhere, not just fraternities. Im happy for you if you think that you "get better grades" (i doubt it-try being in a top 10% of a top 10 business school in the country) "are in way better shape" (again i doubt it-try lettering in 5 varsity sports) and "get way more girls" (i don't know about you, but i do just fine). The bottom line is you sound like an arrogant asshole to automatically put yourself ahead of all frat guys just because you are a gdi. I don't say Im so much better than all non frat people just because I'm in a frat so why are you gonna say the reverse?

Dude like I said, I dont mean to offend anyone here and like I said I know not all frat guys are the same (you may be one of the ones thats ok), I just hate it when most of them act all superior etc just because theyre in a frat, like not everyone can be in one.

My personal belief that being in a frat takes away individuality and makes you one of the "brothers". I have friends who have been throught the process of pledging and most of them essentially become the older brothers' bitch for X amount of months (obviousely not literally but I mean running stupid errands, etc just so they would be allowed to join). I even have one friend who was woken repetedly at 3am to attend random "meetings" and was never allowed to tell me what went on in those meetings.

But whatever, we each have our opinions so lets not start a heated discussion here.

Btw, I have a 3.8 GPA and an in one of the top three architecture schools in the country, they only graduate about 20 people per year. I am also in a varsity team as well as being in amature kickboxing competitions (this sport was deemed too violent to be accepted as a varsity sport at my school) and I guess there is no way to prove I get more girls but I also do just fine. Again, Im not saying im better then you in any way but the average frat guy is not a particularily high acheiver in any of these areas and yet he acts high and mighty all the time, which is the main reason I have low opinions of them.

Ill tell you a story from 2 weekends ago:

Im walking on the street and some guy purposely bumps into me, I walk on but he turns around and is like:

"What?"
ME: What?
HIM: U tryin to start something
ME: nah man, just chill
HIM: AXP bitch, yeah
ME: whatever
* and I walk away*
HIM with his mates: hahahaha, pussy...
*and they walk on*

I hear you bro. There are plenty of frat guys that I know that are assholes. There are even whole frats that are a high percentage of assholes. I also know independents who are just as big of douche bags and assholes. Im just saying why don't you get mad about assholes not frat guys. Those guys would be assholes whether they were in a frat or not.

And as for me questioning whether you were really smarter and more athletic than everyone, it wasn't meant to start a dick measuring contest (which is apparently where you went with it) it was done to illustrate how it makes you look like a arrogant ass to say straight up "I'm smarter and more athletic than them", because quite frankly thats a broad generalization that in some cases isn't true, and even in times where it is-- who really cares? Do you really think that because you have a 3.8 GPA you are a better person than someone else who has a 2.5?

thats a really good way to put it, im in a frat and i never try to START fights. Also your stereotyping really contradicts itself. 1. There are plenty of guys on this forum in frats 2. An AMOG would not be trying PUA. if a lot of frat guys are amogs, then there cant be a lot of guys on the forum who are doing pua, which im sure isnt true. Im not offended, but it kind of comes off as ignorant to say these kinda things.

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I don't blame you for the stereotype; there are a lot of greek guys that make the rest of us look bad. Watch out with that line though. It could have a lot of negative consequences, like her being in a sorority or her having brothers in fraternities. I'm always glad to see original content but this one takes unnecessary risks.

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