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| Sixpounder | PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:11 am | |
| Offline | | Member of MPUA Forum | Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:43 am Posts: 159 | | I've been reading "Secrets to Speed Seduction" recently, it's my first look into the world of NLP. I had a couple of questions that I hope you guys will be kind enough to help me with:
1. What are the effects of alcohol on someone's susceptibility to NLP? Positives? Negatives?
2. A lot of the patterns/techniques in the Ross Jeffries book seem to involve me being very forward. I cannot imagine, for example, a female being comfortable with me charging in and asking "when you feel incredibly turned on, do you find yourself compelled to act on it?" or "have you ever been totally fascinated with someone...".
I'm reticent to take such tactics into the field, I don't want to build up a reputation in the bars/clubs I visit as "that creepy guy who asks intrusive questions and brings up uncomfortable subjects". Are there any "patterns" you could share that sound more like something a normal human being might say?
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| Mind Hacker | PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:52 am | |
Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:54 pm Posts: 633 | | 1. Yeah, i think drugs can change the effects of NLP/Hypnosis for better or worse, it could amplify the effects, since the drugs create an altered state already. But it's better if you find some study that tests it.
2. That's because you're using it with wrong mind set. If you're giving her the gift of feeling wonderful experiences why should you feel guilt or even think you're creepy? Start off with conversation frameworks to set up the groundwork for the basic patterns, so never start with the sexual paterns.
Then build up when she's already trusting you and use the more intrusive patterns where you ask questions that access her deeper core.
Remember, she wants you make her feel wonderful. If she doesn't want it, walk away because she isn't mentally healthy.
And leave her better than you found her.
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| Mikki | PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:19 am | |
| Offline | | MPUA Forum Enthusiast | Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:17 pm Posts: 62 | | The alcohol problem is before anything else a problem of hygien
And yeah, what you're doing is totally intrusive and inappropriate
And to mind hacker, you don't have to say she's not mentally healthy
because in REAL (and not in thoughts) if you're that cool you don't make up excuses for being stupid and laying it on others, that's not a good mindset at all
But i'll tell you more, it's not even a question of mindset, because you're eventually gonna find someone who likes even when you have blond moments, it's a question for once to admitt the truth and not go nlp and hypnosis to make you feel better.
that's anything but cool
if you keep avoiding reality you're just gonna look for the next product endlessly
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| Mind Hacker | PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:03 pm | |
Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:54 pm Posts: 633 | | Mikki: are you aware what NLP and Hypnosis actually are? Do you know you can't really force anyone into doing anything that go against their morals?
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| cerebralassassin | PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:18 pm | |
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:58 am Posts: 793 | | mikki can i ask do you have a copy of dianetics and an e-meter at home by any chance? _________________ life sucks and then you die! deal with it
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| Mikki | PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:48 pm | |
| Offline | | MPUA Forum Enthusiast | Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:17 pm Posts: 62 | | Mind hacker, you believe what they told you it was
otherwise you didn't take time to really examine the areas founded upon an absolutely arbitrary superstitious dogma, an indian cemetery if you like an image.
crazy, you know what is the difference between the e-meter and nlp/hypnosis ?
the path is different but leading to the same doom.
At a noteworthy difference though : the path you take with nlp/hypnose might be more dangerous for your mental health thus your body.
Do you know what is apoplexy ?
Seriously, do you think one of these guys will visit you at the hospital or recognize any guilt at court if something bad happens to you ?
you know what guys ? make the tour of people who are experiencing problems first.
Then come back and decide if you want to believe what they tell you that stuff is.
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| cerebralassassin | PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:01 am | |
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:58 am Posts: 793 | | yes i do know the difference but the way that you talk about hypnosis being evil makes me wonder if you believe in xenu? _________________ life sucks and then you die! deal with it
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| Mikki | PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:49 am | |
| Offline | | MPUA Forum Enthusiast | Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:17 pm Posts: 62 | | what i'm saying is you really don't need to compare things
i've always replied to a sincere question
just look at nlp/hypnosis in itself
It's evil because it's de-humanising people, i don't need to say more
there is an enmity toward reality that is blatant in nlp/hypnosis
we're living in reality and it's destroying people ability to grasp it with mental inflation
it's dangerous because it is hostile to human nature and it is hostile to the fact that human evolve in a physic world.
I insist on not developing further and i ask you rather to smell the bad deal and decline it
As for those who do/teach/spread nlp/hypnosis, it's a crime against humanity which you will be brought to account and judged for.
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| cerebralassassin | PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:46 am | |
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:58 am Posts: 793 | | how can it be de-humanising somebody?? you cant just click your fingers and force someone to have sex with you. you could say that any form of psychology is evil because it pigeon-holes people into categories, some would say religion is evil because all it does is cause hostility and conflict over beliefs that cant be proved, everyone on this forum could be seen as evil as they are studying methods with the specific intent on having sex with only attractive women. _________________ life sucks and then you die! deal with it
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| Mikki | PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:46 pm | |
| Offline | | MPUA Forum Enthusiast | Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:17 pm Posts: 62 | | psychology is a strange doctrine that had a public success but failed in the therapeutic area (the thing it was supposed to cover)
nlp/hypnosis are based on voodoo and magic
what are you expecting
what about being reasonable about some stuff like a reasonable human would
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| cerebralassassin | PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:56 pm | |
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:58 am Posts: 793 | | me? i am expecting an answer i havent had one yet......
i want to know your point of view you seem to be judgemental yet you dont seem to have your own point of view. and then when questioned you turn it around to say that its unreasonable to ask that of you _________________ life sucks and then you die! deal with it
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| Mikki | PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:09 pm | |
| Offline | | MPUA Forum Enthusiast | Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:17 pm Posts: 62 | | what is it you find hard to get when i say nlp/hypnosis is voodoo and magic ?
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| cerebralassassin | PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:15 pm | |
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:58 am Posts: 793 | | well have you practised voodoo,magic, hypnosis or nlp? i guess the point i am trying to make is do you understand hypnosis or nlp? or is it that you just think they're wrong through a moral objection? can i ask i have a feeling your a woman? _________________ life sucks and then you die! deal with it
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| Mikki | PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:30 pm | |
| Offline | | MPUA Forum Enthusiast | Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:17 pm Posts: 62 | | it's both, it's moral and i've witnessed some stuff i'd rather not talk about in details
yeah a feeling ?
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| cerebralassassin | PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:53 pm | |
Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:58 am Posts: 793 | | are u female? _________________ life sucks and then you die! deal with it
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