Hi this is my first time posting. Just want some advice on a difference in social proof in a club I found and why It only worked the seccond time. Sorry its huge, next time I can decide what PUA information you need and use the right lingo.

This is the only time ive been out knowing about the game. Very afc. I’ve only watched the RSD video conference, including flawless and that Jeffy’s separate conference, And I watched all that natural game video conference with Richard and Adam in. I tried to apply as many things I learnt as possible when I went out. I've never read an e-book as being a law student I read too much anyway.

I want to explain 2 sets and ask you guys why one of them worked better than the other. Or more importantly, why the first one failed. I do really have to explain them in some detail (lacking PUA lingo I know).

To put you in the picture I’m 18 and at uni studying a law degree. The club was full of about 1000 uni students so no room for excuses to open! I went out with 2 friends to some clubs last week and after loosing them about 1am decided I might as well try this game stuff out instead of try to find them (they would be shit wings anyway lmao). This leads me onto,

The first set:

On the dance floor I met this girl I used to know from school and she was with about 5 of her other HB10 friends, very lucky I guess. She noticed me by myself and came over and hugged me, took me back (really didn’t like being dragged it was very low value) to her friends and I tried to (what I thought was) open all 5 by taking this girl and making myself the centre of this circle of girls and dancing with everyone, went in with the same energy as them and tried not to be a monkey. High fives and that, twirls and stuff, light kino.
A few seconds later a few of them were mouthing (It was very, very loud) ‘who is this guy’ to which I mouthed 'who am iiii?' ‘I’m RICH’ in a sarcastically surprised way trying to DHV still. They closed the circle off on me so I moved on before I could get to isolate. As it was my first time, I thought this happened mainly because this girl was unable to actually introduce me as such, but they all saw her drag me to them, and hug me again in front of them. I thought as I had this social proof from her friend I would be in.

Second set:

I was coming out the loo and saw security throwing some drunk idiot out and I noticed this girl watching, she looked lost and was sorting something out in one of them weird little bags they have. I opened on this girl about the situation and we high fived, I moved the conversation onto the fact I just lost my friends. Was not bothered about what this displays to her. She said she lost her friends and we laughed about general situational stuff. I just said you seem cool, lets dance. Grabbed her hand and led her to the dance floor (this I felt made up for being dragged myself earlier lol). I made her dance on/for me (I find it hard to dance so I had to research ways of getting around this.

So this was going good, she seemed into me, I was leaning back a lot and giving her the 98% and always holding back the 2% so to speak. I was escalating a lot after that, showed a lot of interest and k-closed. Her friends came then that’s when I found out how effective social proof was. Her friends could see this girl liked me and I shook hands with one while highfiving the other. After I did this I did that weird ‘reverse keylock’ thing where you basically hold their hand and lock it behind their back to pull them in. It sounds in writing very weird and unsocial but It worked very well and comfortably to get them to dance with me, which they did. In the end I had her on the left of me and her friends with is in a circle. I was escalating on her friend to the right of me which I found funny as this girl on the left tried it on more and more. To cut this story short, they left and i got a taxi home. All I wanted to do was open that night, so I did more of it! She was dragging me off the dance floor! Haha, felt very strange.

All in all it was a good night. I have never, ever talked to any girls in a club other than ones in the group I walk in with. Result.

Anyway here’s the question:

Why the fuck did social proof not work for the first 5 set? Damn they were a lot hotter than the second one :O

"took me back (really didn’t like being dragged it was very low value)"

Why would it be "low value"? It's a great IOI

"who am iiii?' ‘I’m RICH’ in a sarcastically surprised way trying to DHV still."

I hope your name IS Rich or Richard and not 'rich' as in lots of money as that is not the way to show DHV. You come out as bragging and snob imo. You should maybe pretended you didn't hear them and continue dancing with the girl that dragged. HEr friends would of probably asked her and she most likely would of said good things about you.

First set:

I agree, pretending like you didn't hear it could have worked well. You also had two more options. You could have just gone over, shaken their hands and introduced yourself. It's actually a DHV as you come off as a cool guy. Introducing oneself isn't really needy IMO (except if you are rapport seeking). The other choice would have been that you said something in a manner of "I just thought the same about you guys." or "Well, you could ask ME who I am." But I think that silence would have worked well. I know that I probably would have stayed silent and pumped up social proof with the friend I know.

Second set:

You did good. I generally try to calibrate myself to the situation. If the girl is totally into me, I show more IOIs than with a girl that I had to game more at first. With latter girls I try to give them a feeling that they are slowly winning me over. Basically every girl is different and depending on the situation, girls will have different amounts of initial attraction for you so you have to adjust your game according to that. You can pump up initial attraction with social proof.

It's cool to see that you played 2 sets with nice results. Usually people play dozens of sets with weak or no results at all (usually for training purposes).

As for your question, you just didn't have enough social proof at the time. Social proof is not a on/off switch. It's more like a knob that you have to tune up slowly. Or imagine an energy bar that keeps filling gradually. xD

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Ha yeah cheers I guess it is a great IOI. thanks.
My name is Richard yeah, I didn’t think of that at the time. I wouldn't use money to DHV anyway.
Now you mention the snobbishness I agree, I should have pretended not to hear like you say and if they want to talk to me they should come closer. (I really loved doing that thing where you let them get closer to you, but not your ear!)
I think her friends had huuuge bitch shields and tried to protect her friend in some way. Thanks for the comments, really appreciate them.
Ah cheers for that, I was going for more high fives than anything but could easily incorporate a hand shake but I would use those in a more low energy environment. It was pretty crazy, some people were jumping about.
I really like this, I think It's kind of a neg at the same time.
"I just thought the same about you guys" brilliant.
That explains everything thank you. It makes sense that in set 2 I paid a lot more attention to this. What you said about IOI's Is very helpful, thanks.

Good to hear you understand Anyways it was your first night game and you got a k-close. Lots of nights to come.

BTW, i said snob because i thought you were saying rich as in money xD which maybe they thought??

Haha cheers yeah good times to come. I think you're right but I get the feeling they didn't/couldn't hear me.
I actually think it could be my facial expressions now lol.

Anyway thanks for the help!

A great response to a negative comment by somebody else is just a simple and sincere smile and then looking away (taking attention away). It says so much about you and what you think of the person that said the negative comment to you. Usually people say something like that on purpose. So when you smile, you DHV because you stand above it. It also makes them look bad in their own eyes as they can see that you were unaffected by it and they realize that while they have been bitching, you remained friendly. When people realize this, they realize what jackasses they have been at that moment for making that negative comment. They are immediately put in a situation where they have to redeem themselves. And usually they do. They either start being nice (since they think that you have a bad opinion of them) or they just shut up and feel unworthy of talking to you. Now their receptiveness to you have increased massively. I know what I'm talking about, I used to do this stuff sometimes. You could see this smile response as a non-verbal version of a neg that directly relates to their comment or the circumstances (e.g. they interrupt you while talking and you say something like "you don't go out much, do you" with a smile on your face).

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Oh that is good, more me. Thank you I love that.

O I forgot to mention something that really worked for me. The girls there were dressed up as nerds with fake nerdy glasses on.
I took the glasses off of that set 2's face and put them on myself.
You guys probably know this stuff but it did work very well for me. I partly used it to get more kino going on.

Although it worked for me at the time are there any reasons why I shouldn't do this? I've never looked into it and only got the idea after seeing mystery put his hat on people, not take theirs like I did with the glasses.

A reverse lock-in, I have to try that. xD

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