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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:12 pm 
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Hey Chief.

Sometimes I enter sets, when I'm working Indirect I notice that my target is completely eating up a guy who is already in set.

What are the basic principles to keep in mind when shifting her attention from the guy who she is tottaly into, onto myself?

Basically I'm finding it hard to demonstrate my frame/lead/escalate when the girl and the guy; unlike the rest of the set; are in my frame.
I normally don't go for girls who already have something good going on with another guy. Why mess up something good? If I were involved at all, I'd be winging the dude.

Otherwise, you can use standard AMOGing tactics! Tool the guy enough in front of the girl and you'll steal her off of him. I don't like doing that kinda stuff, but unfortunately it works.
Well if there is no other way than all out AMOGing, I'm probably going to drop the idea and let it happpen.

Thanks for the advice Chief (Y)


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Well if there is no other way than all out AMOGing, I'm probably going to drop the idea and let it happpen.

Thanks for the advice Chief (Y)
You could always switch to direct and it'll just be your direct game vs. the other guy's direct game while you guys ignore each other lol

He who isolates will win.


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Hah thanks Chief. :)

What are your top three ways of affecting someones state towards happy/horny?


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Hah thanks Chief. :)

What are your top three ways of affecting someones state towards happy/horny?
Happy and horny are different things and do not always come as a pair.

I focus more on horny than on happy. As I've mentioned in my Sexual Attraction article (sticky in the Mid-Game section of this forum), I use Sexual State, Sexual Frame, and Sexual Tension. These are all sexualization concepts and techniques that focus on sexual arousal. It's funny that you asked for three because that's all I got for that one :P

As for happiness, here's what I do:
1. I keep a generally positive attitude in order for the good vibe to rub off on others
2. I use frame control in order to steer conversations away from negative feelings if they ever come up
3. Smile


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Hey Chief,

I’m starting to see a trend with the girls I met this semester… half of them have oneitis for guys back home that aren’t their boyfriends. Is there a way to break past their mentality?

To add some context to my situation; the two girls I had in mind are returning home for good in a month. I don’t think it helps that their friends either have oneitis too or approve of their situation (my friend introduced me to this group of girls, and I thought they were cute but they’re too “innocent”) . :? They are both too shy too. One of them has to hide when taking pictures with me (honestly it’s not cute to me) while the other doesn’t want to talk to me at all anymore (I think she knows I “like” her, it’s just me taking the initiative only).

It’s irritating how oneitis can limit a person’s options and be anti-pick-up… There’s other girls, but I want to know if progress is worth making with oneitis/shy girls, so I need some advice please :)

-Luky

*I mean their mentality seriously baffles me, one of them saw Kick Ass and then concluded she needs a gay best friend. HUH?!


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Hello Chief. I have this girl who dumped her 5 year LTR 3-4 months ago. She seems to have started the process of forgetting him, and has been taking me to places (mostly with other people) since then. We always speak in a playful tone and flirt. Even though, I think i might be getting LJBF'd. Should I use the tips that those 'Getting out of LJBF zone' articles mention or should i just continue my game in a more straightforward way?

Thanks in advance =) cya.


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Sorry, guys. I won't be so active in this thread or on the forum for a little while. I got a girlfriend now so I'll be spending less time with stuff related to the seduction community.

Thread locked for now. I'll unlock it once I start getting more active again.


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Having realized the retardedly massive irony of titling this Ask Me thread as one for "Advanced Questions" while saying shit like "stop kissing my ass, ego is bad, etc.," I am permanently locking this thread and will not be stickying it again.

I have stickied my Outer Game guide as I feel it is more appropriate for a sticky and a lot less KJ-y.

This post shall serve as the last and final bump to let whoever wants to see this thread see it.


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UPDATE FOR 2014:

This is my old "Ask Me" thread from 2008-2010.

Back in those days, a lot of experienced PUAs had "Ask Me" threads where people could go straight to a reliable source for answers. There were already many Ask Me threads about beginner questions and more basic stuff, so I decided to dedicate my Ask Me thread for "Advanced Questions."

After having realized the bullshit behind saying that my thread was for "advanced questions" only, I locked and closed my thread with no intention of ever unlocking it ever again.

Well, it's 2014 now, and I've come a long way as an expert in the field of dating and seduction. Many of my opinions have changed, and I will very likely disagree with many of the answers I had provided in the past.

Therefore, I'd like to re-open my Ask Me thread to ANY and ALL questions anyone may have about dating and seduction. I would like to reintroduce the culture of reliable information being propagated on this forum, and I hope that re-opening my old Ask Me thread will serve as a step in that direction.


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I`m having a hard time finding for good closes that work around the forum.

Could you tell me the specific structure that a close has? Or perhaps explaining to me how to do it, what is it, and why it works?

Thank you.


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I`m having a hard time finding for good closes that work around the forum.

Could you tell me the specific structure that a close has? Or perhaps explaining to me how to do it, what is it, and why it works?

Thank you.
Sounds like you're having issues with your outer game overall because what I'm hearing is "Something just isn't working!"

If I tell you how to close while skipping through all the mid-game (if I just assume that your mid-game looks like mine), I'd probably just be telling you about bedroom escalation: basically, how to get a girl who's already turned on to take off her clothes and ride your cock.

Or are you referring to both full-closes and kiss-closes?

"Closing" in general is mostly about assuming attraction and compliance testing on the compliance ladder. Generally speaking, if you've climbed the compliance ladder enough to be able to kiss her on the neck, she's more likely to let you kiss her on the lips. If you've climbed the compliance ladder enough to be able to dry-hump her while making out, she's more likely to let you take off her clothes.

Or is your issue LMR?

Because, if it is, you can prevent LMR by feeding verbal LMR right to them before they get a chance to LMR you.

You'll have to be more specific. Your question sounds like you're looking for some sort of routine stack that you can use in the bedroom or something.


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In general, if I`m able to bring a girl to my place to watch a movie I don`t get LMR. Only one girl showed some, and she wouldn`t even kiss me because she knew what would happen.

In those moments I tend to think like 60 yoc and say stuff like: we are both adults, we will do whatever the hell we want.

I was referring to both full- closes and kiss ones. Something odd about my game is that after kissing the girl I`m just more relaxed, more me in the interaction.

This is mainly because I believe I have some kind of guarantee on that girl, but of course it`s a mistake.

Anyway: My mid game is not like yours probably, but I can talk a good talk. But I`m having a hard time closing the deal, following the ABC model. But must be lack of escalation from what you are saying, compliance ladder all the way, right?


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Hey Chief,

Ok so I don't know if its a case of me getting perhaps too drunk on nights out but I'm unsure whether my game isn't as good as it was. Going through a month dry spell SPAM, I'm fine with approaching girls, I just think its my escalation part and closing them which is where I'm coming unstuck. What do you recommend to do in these situations and perhaps the best approaches here? I'm thinking perhaps I should just grow a pair and be sexual when I'm with them even without the drink as I probably slur my words when I've had too many?

Thanks


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I was referring to both full- closes and kiss ones. Something odd about my game is that after kissing the girl I`m just more relaxed, more me in the interaction.

This is mainly because I believe I have some kind of guarantee on that girl, but of course it`s a mistake.
That is not a mistake. It's best to behave as if you've already had sex with a girl when you're trying to seduce her from the very beginning (Juggler). Being relaxed and "more you" in an interaction is always better as long as you're still being proactive, persistent, and escalating.
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Anyway: My mid game is not like yours probably, but I can talk a good talk. But I`m having a hard time closing the deal, following the ABC model. But must be lack of escalation from what you are saying, compliance ladder all the way, right?
Kino escalation is the single most important aspect of a seduction!


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Ok so I don't know if its a case of me getting perhaps too drunk on nights out but I'm unsure whether my game isn't as good as it was. Going through a month dry spell SPAM, I'm fine with approaching girls, I just think its my escalation part and closing them which is where I'm coming unstuck. What do you recommend to do in these situations and perhaps the best approaches here? I'm thinking perhaps I should just grow a pair and be sexual when I'm with them even without the drink as I probably slur my words when I've had too many?

Thanks
Hardcore PUAs say "NEVER DRINK WHEN DOING PICKUP," and there's a very good reason for that.

Refer to my article, "3 Confidence Crutches You Need to Stop Relying On" here:
http://chiefpua.com/confidence-crutches ... ith-women/
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1. Alcohol
This one is way too common. “Liquid courage,” they call it.

We all know why you take that double-shot of Jager or that Tequila Slammer before you even think about approaching that hottie over there across the bar. You’re scared of getting hurt and you want to numb the fear.

We all know the obvious first risk of relying on alcohol when trying to pick up chicks – you become a drunk dumbass. It’s a very unattractive sight.

Let’s give you some benefit of the doubt. Maybe you’re not “that guy.” Maybe you just use this liquid courage to get very very lightly buzzed so you don’t end up looking like an intoxicated fool. Well, I’ve got bad news for you, pal. That’s still not a good thing for you.

I see this happen over and over again. The guy who relies on alcohol ends up being dependent on it to talk to women. Sobriety becomes their pickup kryptonite.

The end result of that path is even more pathetic than the guy who gets totally smashed one time and ends up hitting on all the bartenders.

A man who relies on anything external like alcohol to do something as basic as talking to a woman is not really a man at all.
I'm not surprised that you've hit a dry spell. When you learn to depend on alcohol to talk to girls, the base level of your natural ability to talk to girls just gets worse and worse over time like a muscle atrophying. So, naturally, your performance while drinking gets progressively worse as well, especially when you feel like you need more and more alcohol to get the same level of confidence you're used to getting when you hit that bottle.

It's important to remain very cognizant of your sexual escalations because of the need to calibrate and microcalibrate. Being drunk really hinders your ability to calibrate and microcalibrate. It's also harder to pick up on those green light cues women give you so you know it's a good time to close.

Hit on girls when you're sober and save the drinking for its own enjoyment.


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