OK this was STUPID!!! And instead of beating myself up about it, I thought I'd write down my findings so we can all learn.

Style and mystery have often written down that the standard "date" as would be practiced by an AFC is usually having dinner with two or three hours of awkward converstation between two people who don't know each other...

So last week I met a HB 9 in a bar. Ran some solid game, and I mean solid, she came back for more. # closed and started texting. Texting went solid, then started phoning her, fun, solid and evertyhing went right...

So we set up a day 2, and what do I propose?

Anyone?

What do you think?

"Lets have diner in a nice restaurant" I heard myself say and all PUA alarmbells went off.... I was in some sort of auto-AFC mode... God knows why...

HB9: "OK great"... Too late... we were going to have a date

So we sat down in a nice and cosey restaurant last saturday, she wore a red dress and was stunningly beautiful. The food was good and we had a long conversation. The dinner lasted 4 hours!!! four hours? Yes four hours. I know wich movies she likes, she knows wich movies I like, I know wich books she reads, and I know wich food she likes and dislikes. etc. etc.

But off course Style and mystery, were right. Awkward conversation, nothing romantic. No Kino (I only touched her once)...And sunday I received a text that she enjoyed talking to me, but doesnt feel anything else. Crash and burn.

Too bad, but I learnt from my mistake: next time we'll go for a quick drink or a walk, or do something more adventurous. Or invite her around with some friends or something. At least this way you can do routines that include kino and other forms of escalation.

greetz

Bucc.

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I could not tread these perilous paths in safety, if I did not keep a saving sense of humor. -Admiral Horatio Nelson

Paul Janka's piece on getting laid in NYC is recommended reading to anyone who doesn't understand why this was such a big mistake. I got why dinner was a bad idea but didn't really get it until I read that article. It added a lot to my game in general besides just that.

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i am suprised how well you took it. i woulda killed myself haha

Haha thanx.

Well, honestly she was high value, so it is a bummer. But like I said, we are in this for self improvement purposous, so this shouldnt happen to me with the next HBHighvalue.

As I am writing this I'm printing the Paul Janka piece.

Thanks for the support and happy hunting.

greetz

BUcc.

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I could not tread these perilous paths in safety, if I did not keep a saving sense of humor. -Admiral Horatio Nelson

I feel your pain mann hahaha
I had the same thing 3 days ago
Chik came over to my house, we made dinner, watched the movie she liked
Little kino, No kiss close
And the same night it was: we should just stay friends hehe
Well for the last 3 days ive been torturing myself, but now im good hehe
Not letting her go just now though, its still onnn heh
But thanks voor the post man

maybe it wasn't too late. when you picked her up or whatever, i would have laughed at her that she really thought you were buying her dinner etc. and that she thought you were like every other guy. then i would have gone for a walk/drink like you wanted to and negged her more of thinking you paying her dinner. of course in a fun way so she won't be insulted.

Buccaneer

I've done dinner dates before, the key to them is to NEVER sit across from each other at a table.. the table makes it hard to touch each other or rub legs (kino) and make some eye contact when talking to her..

Get her to your side of the table if you can by trying something like, "You seem really far away, you should come closer, this is the side all the cool kids sit on anyways" and if she comes over great! Then during your conversation tease her, and stay off the boring topics... if she says no to coming on to your side build more comfort then tell her again she's to far away and then even move to her side to be closer to her, say "I wanted to see things from her side". Then run more game for comfort. The best and my favorite is "the cube" girls seem to really connect after hearing it. Anyways, best of luck! ~MM

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